by andys 33 Replies latest watchtower bible
I find the charge of ingratitude patronizing and ignorant. What should we be grateful for? For a lifetime sacrificed to an ideal that was based on lies? For the countless hours and money spent listening to propaganda? To say we are all ungrateful is to completely miss the point and shows just how blind and obtuse they really are.
"Nauseating unscriptural teachings"--I have never heard WT doctrine so succinctly described.
"Counterfeit words"...phony..That is what we have chosen???
Pride...He speaks as though we are frustrated wannabe elders , forgetting that many of us were elders once
Impatient because our own ideas are not taken up ? hardly
Not willing to wait, and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and...
Ingratitude toward the G B and others....speaking abusively of glorious ones or senior elders....We did not want to follow their high principles.
We have "gone back to the nauseating teachings of Bab the Great" - have we?
We let selfish reasoning and desires lead us, instead of the love of the brotherhood...
This is when it pays to have your headphones going, with some real music.
A couple of key comments. Apostates fall due to "pride, impatience and ingratitude"
Also at 10:30 "No one falls victim to Apostasy just because it could not be helped. A person falls victim to to apostasy because they let their own selfish reasoning, their own ambitions and desires, their chosen associates, mold their mind and their thinking until eventually it divides them off from the true Christian congregation."
I "fell victim" to recognizing 1st of all how evil their version of Jehovah was being painted by the GB.
I thought about the example of Abraham, described by James as "Jehovahs' friend" (Jas. 2:23) who challenged what he imagined Jehovah was going to do in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah with the words "...it is unthinkable of you. Is the judge of all the earth not going to do what is right?" (ge. 18:25). and felt I should do the same.
In the case of the biblical example of Abraham, the one who was a primary example of one whose faith we ought to imitate, (Heb. 13:7) it seemed appropriate to question the depiction of Jehovah these "nobles...to whom no salvation belongs" (Ps. 146:3) were presenting and "not ...put my trust" (Ps. 146:3) in them and their "[shameful] vision" (Zec. 13:4), but to instead say through my actions "You will not live, because falsehood is what you have spoken in the name of Jehovah" (Zec. 13:3).
Is it just me or does the Bible discussing apostates refer to people who draw ones away so that they will follow them? IN other words people that want to start their own church? Sort of like a Rick Fearon type but not like the typical ex jw.
Hahahahaha.
Just a few minutes ago I log onto facebook and found this comment from a friend. I'll hide his identity,but it was and qoute:
"Well i cleaned up my FB page i got rid of all of the bad association/influence so if your still on here you must be doing something right or at least i havent caught you lol"
He has just attended a convention in North Carolina and since Friday or Saturday his FB posts have been about nothing but having his eyes opened,some serious changes coming in his association, and blah,blah,blah.
His brother-whom I am friends with more- is always probing me for info on why I don't come back to the meetings. He ALWAYS comes back to fornication. Which it is not. Thanks to this site I realize what a crock alot of that stuff is. But I know his brother is wanting to find something....ANYTHING on me. He always says if I made a mistake it's ok. That,or "I can't figure out why you don't come back. There has to be a reason."
I made sure to "Like' the comment for good measure. None of my JW friends have the slightest idea that I haven't been to a meeting in about a year. On a regular basis in about 3-4 years. And my last convention was 2002.
Damn. I need to be a CIA case agent
Listening to that was the closest I've been to any meeting in over two years...can hardly believe I used to buy into it. It sounds so obviously propaganda-ish. It makes me so sad to hear it. I used to believe it heart and soul. Now it all sounds so ridiculous.
Couldn't help but notice that they didn't address any specific point or issue that a supposed apostate might be teaching. They also don't mention how they had their followers spend decades blanketing the globe with literature containing incorrect prophesies, miscalculation of dates and teachings that were later reversed, all of which were false teachings apparently.
They accuse the churches of being of the Devil because of their false teachings. When they JW's get it wrong, they gloss over it or ignore it altogether.
For me, their own words/deeds turned me away...not apostates.
Wow!!! I remember how I used to listen to that senseless dribble and how it actually made sense to me at one time...How sad is that?!
