Chemtrails, Seeing is believing.

by pedal power 482 Replies latest social current

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  sizemik

  But his thinking is very convoluted

  You can say that again . . . There seems to exist a very hazy connection to the "phenomenon" of chemtrails and the problems they're supposed to address.

  I mean . . . if it's ozone . . . the logical approach would be the reduction of ozone depleting pollutants (which has been occurring at a growing pace anyway) and, if necessary, the wholesale manufacture of ozone and it's release from a safe height (since ozone will rise and find it's natural level with no ill surface effects) Expensive for sure . . . but still a more economic use of resources than experimenting with chemicals regularly ejected from airliners over populated areas.

  The connection to alleged chemtrails seems stretched at best . . . and makes piss-all sense. It's giving me a headache.

  And yes . . . the suicide notice is puzzling . . . treated as if it's an endorsement of some sort ????
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  sizemik

  the Chemtrails hypothesis is slightly more plausible than the plot in Core. I would say in terms of plausability, its a bit like Core without the whales.

  Ahhh . . . some perspective!
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  strymeckirules

  i live in central alberta canada.

  i have been watching the chemtrails for about two weeks, trying to see a pattern.

  on monday they were spraying into a large weather front, and then it rained all until today.

  today has no chemtrails and sunny/cloudy skys.

  canada is so big and unpopulated that it is really hit or miss if the spray is over you.

  and wind is present on the prairies, so much of it is dispursed into farm land.

  it is so wet in canada this year that the farmers cannot seed all their fields. there is standing water in the fields in july.

  and it keeps raining.

  i won't speculate on what is being sprayed, as it's a guessing game.

  i believe "they" are trying a number of different experiments, depending where you live. weather and population experiments.

  the proof is when you look in the sky and see a plane leaving a trail behind it. and the trail remains when the plane is gone.

  contrails dissapate within 3-6 inches from the plane(when viewed from the ground) and the air temp has to be -40 degrees celcius for the contrail to occur.

  if you don't believe, at least you are aware of what "might" be going on now.
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  bohm

  strymeckirules: " the proof is when you look in the sky and see a plane leaving a trail behind it. and the trail remains when the plane is gone. contrails dissapate within 3-6 inches from the plane(when viewed from the ground) and the air temp has to be -40 degrees celcius for the contrail to occur."

  But how do you know that???. It wasnt knowledge any of us was born with. It must be knowledge gained from an experiment somehow. I (we) are simply asking which experiment that statement is based upon.

  If you cant find such a reference --and i do not mean someones oppinion on what contrails may or may not do, as i said he or she was not born with that knowledge-- what basis do you then have for making the claim in the first place?

  (updated).
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  sizemik

  if you don't believe, at least you are aware of what "might" be going on now.

  Fair point strymeckirules . . . if something was amiss I'd like to be alerted to it. We all have different thresholds of what constitutes conclusive evidence.

  I must point out however . . . your assertions regarding the characteristics of contrails are very contestable.
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  sizemik

  contrails, are generally produced by jets flying between 25,000 to 40,000ft in moist air. If the relative humidity is low, contrails may evaporate rather quickly, however, in high relative humidity conditions , contrails may remain visible for several hours. the indication of moisture content may point to other clouds and, possibly, precipitation moving into the area within the next day or two.
  
  how they're formed:
  
  1) Intake air enters the engine at close to 100% relative humidity.
  2) water vapor from the engine exhaust increases the relative humidity to 100%
  3) Water vapor freezes in the below freezing atmosphere.
  4) Ice crystals form a contrail.

  Source(s):

  Private pilot handbook. ch6
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  bohm

  What is being missed is that contrail formation, dissipation and persistance is something which has been tested and studied and described again and again for DECADES by actual scientists, who are not content by sitting on their flat asses and wondering what may happend, but are more in the buisness of flying up where the contrails are and study them.

  Briefly, that contrails do not go away in minutes is not a mystery in any way, and its dead wrong when it is suggested (again and again and again!) that this indicate "chemtrails". See for instance:

  http://cires.colorado.edu/science/groups/pielke/classes/atoc7500/knollenberg72.pdf

  or alternatively, use google scholar, thats what the rest of us do.
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  bohm

  here are the first 740 articles going back to the 50s on the subject:

  http://scholar.google.dk/scholar?as_sdt=0,5&q=contrail+dissipation

  in general, its a piss poor assumption on any subject that scientists who have thrown decades of their life on the issue have oppinions which are so vague they can (and should) be trumphed by observations and guesses made from the comfort of ones lawn chair.
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  sizemik

  More perspective!
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  shamus100

  Oui. Ones lawn chair while hallucinating on acid. :D