Just because WT is dead wrong does not mean the Bible is wrong. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. The fear of man is a snare (Rutherford was right that religion is a snare and racket, but he was wrong to not embrace relationship with Christ).
I'm scared sometimes that the WTBTS might be right about everything.
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Diest
Fear is how people are controlled...the communists, the socialists, hellfire, Armageddon. I for one will not let people promote irrational fears as a means to control others. There is no wisdom in fearing some god who says you can't braid your hair 1 Peter 3:3-4 and 1 Timothy 2:9. There is too much in this world that is genuinely scary, we don’t need fear mongers.
The piece that this site has brought me has been immeasurable. I truly feel like the monkey that was on my back is dead. I can live a peaceful life. I can be a moral, kind, person without fear making me do it.
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the-illuminator81
Chemical Emotions, even if you are right, think about it. It's like Jesus is standing next to you with a gun, saying "You better start worshipping me, because am going to pull the trigger any minute now!" Even if it were true, do you want to worship someone like that?
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clearpoison
Let's assume it's right, what is the worst thing that will happen?
You and me and many others will die, terrifying dead or normal, I do not know, but that's it.
If JW view is right there is nothing after that, nothing to worry in my view. And on top of that if they ain't right we will die anyways sooner or later. Then I wish they are right about nothingness.
CP
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godrulz
The other possibility (that is actually true) is that death is the beginning, not the end. We do not cease to exist, but continue on with or without God.
Jn. 3:16; Rom. 5:8, etc. is all about the love of God (yet Jn. 3:36 mentions the other aspect of His holiness and justice).
The love of God on the cross should compel you. This is not a gun at your head scenario. You are free to reject Jesus, but not without consequence. He would be unloving to force people to abandon their sin and selfishness and go to a holy place (that would be hell for them and ruin the place and compromise God's responsibility as Moral Governor). People want justice, but not for their own deserved justice. So, the love of God is compelling, winsome, vast. Those who reject His love and mercy and grace are choosing justice (which has provision in Christ). It will not be an excuse to use fear tactic complaints in light of His greater love, mercy, patience demonstrated much more than His wrath. godplayers don't get it and God is right and defensible in all His ways.
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J. Hofer
> Just because WT is dead wrong does not mean the Bible is wrong.
that's correct. however, the bible still is dead wrong about many things. independently.
chemical romance: what exactly do you think are they right about? 1914? 607? 1975? blood components?
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godrulz
The Bible is wrong about zip.
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Tralfamadorian
@godrulz: With all due respect, how is your method of sharing your personal beliefs any different than the WT organization? Just because the WT is 'dead wrong,' in your words, doesn't make the Bible wrong? How is your belief any more valid than the Witnesses? Because you believe? Because the bible says so?
Just because some of the scriptures stand up to reason and logic, does it go without saying that the whole body of it's writings are accurate then? The bible is such a self-contradicting, cluster-f*** collection of writings that anybody could take anything from it and form any religion they wanted and make it seem true! Sometimes the best place to hide a lie is sandwiched conveniently between a couple truths!
Bear in mind that the most commonly used collection of scripture was hand picked at the Nicean council by a bunch of religionists and politicians who needed to gain the upper hand and apply damage control over civil unrest that was spiraling out of control. It was and always has been, a political move to control the mass.
"Religion is what keeps the poor man from murdering the rich." -Napoleon Bonaparte
The only thing you seem to be saying is, "..Because my belief is right and yours [the WT] is wrong." You'll have to do better than that my friend.
@Diest: Right on, right on brother! Can I get an Amen?
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cantleave
You need to deprogramme yourself as others have said. That may require counselling as well as reading. For me Don Cameron's book Captives of a Concept was all I needed. Once I realised that there was no way that they could have been as god's channel of communication, the whole pack of cards, including the mind control, came tumbling down.
When I started to reject all mythology and religious constructs designed to control by fear, I became truly free and happy.
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cantleave
Godrulz - this thread is not about you or your stupid beliefs!