by jam 36 Replies latest social current
You're welcome :)
And yeah, all we are doing is speculating. I have no proof. I do know that I have seen people ride a lie they themselves created to the bitter end. He may have been a spy for all we know. Or an sincere as he could be.
All things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, he was probably sincere in his conversion.
I still speculate :)
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Since it would take the sacrafice of a perfect life to buy back the life Adam and Eve lost for us. Whether or not all repented and accepted Jesus when he was on earth, he'd have had to die as a sacrafice in order to fulfill the bargain.
Since it would take the sacrafice of a perfect life to buy back the life Adam and Eve lost for us. Whether or not all repented and accepted Jesus when he was on earth, he'd have had to die as a sacrafice in order to fulfill the bargain.
Yeah that doesn't make any sense. Buy it back from who? God was the one who gave it, took it, gave it back and took it again in the first place. And then he let Jesus live. What was bought back? His flesh? His DNA? His spirit? His spirit lived. His flesh disappeared. What was bought back and from whom?
And what bargain? Who agreed to a bargain? Adam and Eve? Us? Who agreed? What were the terms?
Tammy let us look at the Canaanit woman who daughter
he healed, Matt.15:23-27.
Jesus called the woman A dog did he not, he looked
down on gentiles. The woman wanted her daughter well
whatever it took..He definitely treated the Jews differently
then the Gentiles. If some one call me or compared me
to A dog, I would think this man have no respect for me.
Who says he looked down on Gentiles?
He was just sent to Israel first (the lost sheep), since the promise was given to them. But anyone who belonged to Him after that promise was fulfilled, would hear his voice, from all nations. The alternative is that God breaks his promises, isn't it?
Calling someone a dog might not mean the same thing now as it did then. Simply an analogy.
He obviously had enough respect, love and mercy for this woman that he healed her daughter, despite not having been sent for the gentiles at that time. Faith is what saved her and her daughter, regardless of whether she was Israel or Gentile.
Peace,
Tammy
The analogy about the dog, well I think it mean the
same today as in Jesus day. "It is not fair to take the
children,s bread and throw it to the dogs" no hidden meaning
throw the leftovers to the dogs.
And the Canaanite woman, she was A pest. Jesus perform
that healing just to get rid of her. Why did she need to beg
Jesus to save her daughter. he is the Saviour of mankind.
It,s obvious she had faith in Jesus, she followed them.
Jesus perform
that healing just to get rid of her.
That's a pretty definitive statement. He could have gotten rid of her in other ways. He just had to send her away, or get his disciples to send her away, or he could have left the area, or he could simply have said no. He didn't even tell her to go away once, if I recall correctly.
Besides, if group (a) believes in you, tries to be loyal to you, loves and follows you... and group b does none of these things, then who are your 'children' and who are the 'dogs'? It is an analogy. Insulting, perhaps... (though we call one another 'dog' or 'b*tch today in affection). But at least humbling, I suppose. Plus, how does anyone know what people back then thought other people's gods would think of those who didn't believe in those gods? Terms, sayings, definitions, analogies... they change over time, which is why I suggest that you look at both the words, and the deed, to understand.
Christ healed her daughter, despite it all, showing to me that it truly is faith that counts. The promises were/are to Israel, but faith grants anyone else those same promises. Was that the plan from the beginning, or did the plan change... for that you would have to ask Him, yourself.
Peace,
Tammy
I don't think Jesus was insulting the woman. This would be out of character for him. He knew what she was thinking as he could read hearts. She repeatedly tried to get his help and she knew that Canaanites were like dogs to the Jews. She was thinking this is why she couldn't get his help. But he softened the blow of what she was thinking by using the term little dogs and also showed his true character by having mercy on her. Knowing what she did about the Jews attitude towards her people really shows the extent of her faith. It should be noted that the nwt is not the only Bible that renders the term as "little dogs".
Taking all context of the Bible into consideration Jesus came for many reasons including the one mentioned at John 3:16, for "the world" not just one little unfaithful as a whole group aka the Jews. The lost sheep of israel were Christ first attention because of their covenant relationship. But God knew they would reject Jesus and he would turn his attention to the rest of mankind. We should also humbly accept the crumbs and continue to cry to God for mercy since we are all sinners.
Traditional: he was sent by the Father (John 5:36) so they would believe he was the Son of God (John
1:14; 20:30,31; Matt.16:16) to whom Thomas said, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:
28,29), and that by believing you may have life in his name (John 20:30,31).
Exclusive--the faithful of this life go to heaven
Inclusive--universalism: the unconverted get a chance to convert and only human gov't, etc., is abolished
