Why have you remained theists?

by Silent_Scream 35 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    I am no longer a theist but I recognize the right of others as above to do so. The reason they do so however is to explain the unexplained as N.drew said it, "God put the things (he claimed atoms and molecules, the things he doesn't know yet how they are formed (in his 3rd year, must be a US school )) in motion" and that's what I also thought until I found out what put those things in motion (physics and particle physics). And it ain't God.

    Ultimately if we can find proof for one of the several hypothesis and create a theory regarding the forming of quarks, leptons and boson's (and that's one of the several experiments being carried out in the last decades in physics) God will ultimately cease to exist except in the minds of the wilfully ignorant ones.

    And yes, empty space-time (nothing) is hypothesised to be able to create a Universe with such subatomic particles (it's a lot of math) and hopefully the Large Hadron Collider or maybe astrophysicists or some other large experiment involving lots of money will find (usually leftovers) proof of that in the next decade or maybe 2. I really hope before my kid goes to college.

  • ShadesofGrey
    ShadesofGrey

    Jesus rescued me from a cult. (Just a side-note, I have had all of my scientific questions answered and then some... if you are curious about that start with creation.com.) I realized that Jesus was not my mediator, the "faithful and discreet slave" was claiming to be a replacement for Moses. But Jesus is the greater Moses! After realizing this I started feeling more joy in my life. I started understanding the meaning to scriptures. I read 1 John and I started to understand God. God can be both the Father and Jesus and also be in my heart. I also understood that salvation was a gift. I now understand unconditional love for the first time in my life. My children are so much happier because I can truly love them. Jesus gave me all of this and that is just the beginning. I am going through trials, of course, in exiting a cult, but I have been given a gift. The Holy Spirit is here with me, directing me, showing me the way and holding me to the light. I have never been so happy and so at peace. I have always felt guilty. I coudn't do any relaxing activity, even folding laundry without feeling guilty. That is gone! That huge burden is completely gone! NO guilt. Praise Him!

    I feel as though I am one of the Israelites. The sea has parted before me and I follow a pillar of cloud. I don't have any excuses. I keep believing because I want to. I don't ever want to lose this feeling (and oh yes, I believe it can be lost). I pray that the Lord hold on to me and not let me go. I read my Bible every day and I pray very often. When I read my Bible I am lifted up, so it is not a chore at all, but a joy. The prayer is very natural. There is no reminding myself to do it like when I was a JW and Jesus was not with me. I just talk to Him.

    I am constantly reminded that I am on the right path and that God is with me, as my prayers are answered. If I have a need it is met. This did not happen before I was born-again. I have prayed sincerely and in faith for needs and they have been very obviously answered over and over again. (1) One time I was staying at an ex-Jws house and I was exhausted, emotionally, mentally, physically, spiritually. There were three families there and two of them were atheists (only myself and my husband were Christians). Several of them wanted to explain why they did not believe in God. I ran to my room there and I prayed and I slept. When I woke I couldn't come out of the room. I prayed to God that I needed my husband. I needed him or I couldn't leave the room. Seconds later he knocks on the door. (2) One day (after I had already received Jesus) the Holy Spirit led me to a church. I knocked on the door and I listened to the youth pastor's wife when she got her Bible. I listened and I cried. I found out later that was the one time out of the whole year that she was home on that day of the week. She has a normal routine of ministry that would have had that house empty any other day. (3) I was doing my Bible study and the topic was God's people. I knew what a scripture said but didn't know where to find it. I prayed for guidance because I knew I didn't have time to look it up and this was important to me. I turned right to the page. I didn't even believe it was the right page at first, but there is was, the third sentence I read. (4) I was on a walk with my little boy and he was being very unruly, trying to run away from me to cross the busy street. I prayed for help and when we got to the preschool, the teacher came out of her house to see if we needed help! (5) Another day I had been at my JW parent's house and was feeling very down. I needed someone. I prayed that God send someone to me because I didn't know who to go to. My long-distance Christian friend called me about an hour later. It was the second time in 2 years that we had ever spoken on the phone. (6) I was disappointed last weekend because we missed the neighborhood picnic. I was crying to my husband that nothing would ever change and we wouldn't have friends. I don't know where to find friends for my children. We have been alone for years. I prayed that God help me and my kids find a community so that we aren't alone. I didn't know if it needed to be school, a support group, a karate class, something, anything. God please lead me because I am so confused and this is too much to handle right now. We just need friends. Two days later our neighbor invited my daughter to AWANA club. She loves it. There is also a ladies bible study group the same night. It is wonderful. Friends for both of us! Then some exJW friends called me after that and invited us to there house to meet someone else who is just now coming out. The friends who called me are older than my parents, but the new ex-JWs are the same age as us with kids the same age! (7) My husband was struggling with something and I got on my knees and prayed for him. Later that day my pastor called me. He had not met my husband. Was my husband home? He asked. He could come by and talk to him for a few minutes. Yes he was home and I wasn't turning him down. God is good! There are others but these were the prayers that were answered very quickly and very obviously.

  • ShadesofGrey
    ShadesofGrey

    Oh the Living Bible Paraphrased led me to Jesus. I read mostly the New King James Version for study now. I also have several other versions to compare, and just started the One Year Bible (it has a section from the OT, a section from the NT, Psalms and Proverbs every day, I love it). Bibles are free at Goodwill.

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    I try so hard to make sense, Anony Mous, Hi! (evil laugh), what did I say? And when, damn it?

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    ShadesofGrey welcome to the forum! That is a lovely testimonial. Thank you for sharing! Just because I'm not liked by many here does not mean I am unlikeable. So, if you stay, and you notice that I am ignored, doesn't mean I'm evil. Well, that's what I think. It took me a long time to discover the edit feature, the little yellow pencil up on the right (30 minutes expiration), then you have active topics on the bar at the top, which makes it so much easier to find the posts that aren't 5 years old.

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    I have explored atheism, read most of Dawkins. I'm presently reading the blind watchmaker.

    And I have read the bible cover to cover many times.

    The bible says we are saved by faith.

    I know what it feels like to have no God, and I know what it feels like to know God.

    I prefer to dream about a future of eternal life with God, than an eternity with out God.

    God seems to be the best deal in town So I might as well embrace it.

    If there is no God it doesnt matter.

  • wobble
    wobble

    jaguarbass, you end up with Pascal's Wager, which was O.K for him, and for you.

    I prefer the opposite wager, "If there is a God worth worshipping ,then He (She/It) will be a God of love, as, up until now, that God has made no effort to talk to me, and left me no sliver of proof that he exists, I am sure he won't mind if I live my life not bothering about him,if he does exist, it makes no difference"

    As for the question about the bible or other "Holy" writings, they are all works of fiction of not very good quality and of no provenance whatsoever, waste of time.

  • El Nunya
    El Nunya

    What wonderful expressions of faith! Those that have left the WTS with their faith intact is a joy to behold. I have been on these boards for years but rarely post anymore. You do start to feel that people are ignoring you or are simply not interested in what you have to say. But then I'll read a testimony and it strikes a dim fire down deep in my spirit.

    Although the WTO's first order of the day is to destroy the power or influence of any other religion or religious sect by subtly and insidiously placing themselves in that position, their most important objective is to cast doubt on an individual's intuitive ability to 'hear' in a spiritual sense without the control or direction of any human leadership. IMNSHO, their sole purpose for existence is to keep people from the only source of salvation. Because meeting the source, ie Jesus the Christ, is the catalyst for living and/or dying for Him. When He actually reveals Himself to an individual, there is nothing else. His unimaginable love is magnetic, His compassion beyond comprehension, His realness defined and imprinted, His gentleness and acceptance overwhelmingly humbling.

    For most of the exJW's that I've encountered, the WTO has accomplished their mission, and that is the tragedy of tragedies. In their efforts to rid themselves of any influence from this God-defaming, pseudo-religious sect, they have replaced this idol with yet another one, their own logic and reasoning. Not ever realizing that communion with God is purely spiritual and will never be understood or defined by man's intellect.

  • ShadesofGrey
    ShadesofGrey

    Thanks N.Drew. I have noticed your posts, so I am not ignoring you. It did take me a while to figure out how to find active topics.

    Oh, and back to the Silent_Scream about Bible transations: The New King James Version that I have lists similar scriptures at the end of a passage. So after you read Philippians 2:9-11 the NKJV has Isaiah 45:21-23 listed so that you can look it up. That is what I like about it. I read other versions, but this is the only translation that I have that includes references like that.

    Thanks El Nunya. I absolutely agree.

    I think that I am a theist because of the way I got out of the org. I started looking into Creationism, wanting answers that made sense instead of the contradictory hokey-pokey that the org teaches. I was warned by JW friends that Creationism is a part of Babylon the Great. What I came to understand is that secular sources are a form of Babylon the Great as well. They have their own religion. They worship naturalistic science and conformism. When my questions were answered I started to open my mind to Christians. Maybe they had something going for them and JWs weren't the only ones being used by God. Then when things didn't make sense I was not afraid to ask my Bible questions on Christian forums and search for the answers on Christian websites. Some JWs that leave start out afraid of anything apostate including all of Christendom don't get answers to their Biblical questions.

    I will never allow men to come between me and God. All organized religion is Babylon the Great. We have to cling to Jesus instead. Once we accept the baptism of the Spirit from Jesus we don't need any man or group of man to teach us anything about the Bible. Matt. 23:8-10

    "But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lieā€”just as it has taught you, abide in him."-- 1 John 2:27 1st Timothy 2:5 couldn't be any clearer or to the point, Jesus Christ is the ONE MEDIATOR between God and mankind, the one and only greater Moses.

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    My issue with the bible-god or the Jesus-god is:

    1) Can anyone prove with a certainty (and not from their holy books that say so because I can pull several older-than-the-bible holy books that say another thing) that there is only 1 god.

    2) If Jesus came to earth, why didn't he bring with him at least some knowledge to improve people's lifes overnight. Why does he require faith without giving a shred of (lasting) evidence of his ancestry? Wouldn't more people see him as a god if he changed medicine overnight instead of spitting on disabled people to heal a few of them?

    3) Pascal's wager says that you have 2 choices with 1/4 chance in being right, 1/2 chance in being wrong without consequence and 1/4 chance in being wrong with bad consequence so he chooses the 3/4 chance to be either right or wrong without consequence. However the bible-god says that there is only 1 god and 1 way of worshipping him although there are hundreds of gods and millions of ways people worship their gods. The bible-god is going to be very angry if you make the wrong choice but you only have 1 in a million chance of making the right one. I rather not play with those odds.

    4) Why would an all-loving, all-powerful creator of everything require worship from us? Does he feel insecure? Does he have ulterior motives for it? Why would he punish us for it?

    5) If you're a Christian and say you believe in the Bible, you have to believe in all of it. However the Bible several times contradicts itself not only on just who and what their god is but also his temper, motives and requirements. Even Jesus' story contradicts itself if you look at the different gospels. How can you put trust in something that is not much better in unity than a volume of Watchtowers?

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