JWs in the UK diferrent to USA or elsewhere?

by punkofnice 22 Replies latest jw experiences

  • InquiryMan
    InquiryMan

    I have been to many countries, having attended witness functions in various countries. There is a difference. E.g. in Scandinavia, the Danish witnesses are regarded as liberal, e.g. allowing brother with beards to give talks also at district convention level, whereas in Sweden, dancing is not allowed at weddings in some areas.

    IN Portugal, I experienced an elder drinking a glass of wine before conductiong the Watchtower study an hour later. Unheard of in North. Europe.

    Culture definitely plays its role.

    I found American witnesses as well as German witnesses to be more extreme than their Scandinavian counterparts.

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    Overall, I agree with MRDARKKNIGHT's assessment: the further from bethel you get, the more liberal things become, although this isn't necessarily the case.

    Our cong resides in the NYC bethel "footprint" and has gone from ultra-conservative to pretty liberal. The difference? Really it just boils down to a few strong- willed individuals who impose their opinion on others, and heavily influence the elder body. With them gone, people act more like people and less like cult robots.

  • DaCheech
    DaCheech

    In California they are very loose and laid back.

    Many drink alcohol in parties openly

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    It can vary within a city or town, between congregations. Or, even within the same congregation--if the hounders want perfection out of one person or want that person to pious-sneer or join the Value Destroyer Training School, they will single that person out for higher standards while being more liberal with everyone else. With me, they were zero-tolerance with such things like things tangentially associated with Christmas (good thing they didn't have computer access, or they might have seen strawberries and kiwi fruits, used to celebrate Christmas in southern hemisphere countries, as bad). They wanted me to get rid of most of my music. All the while, others right in my congregation were not bothered about those things.

    In the United Tyranny of Stupidity (formerly, the United States of America), it is common for field circus time reporting to be slack. You put in the time, and it makes no difference whether or not you actually accomplish anything. Warming up or cooling off breaks often exceeded half an hour, yet time continues right through them. Snack breaks exceed 15 minutes regularly, yet people count their time through them. They also round to the nearest whole hour, starting within the nearest 15 minutes. Even though I had the technology to honestly report my time to within a second (called a stopwatch), they never used it. And, it takes a whole hour to work a street that is a city block (roughly 15 houses per side), even when no one was home.

    Now, I wonder if there is anywhere else, or anyone else regardless of whether everyone else had to abide by it, that would have had certain foods or other items tangentially associated with a holiday banned or restricted because of the holiday. Now that people can research it, I wouldn't be surprised if there was anything someone could eat without its being associated with something somewhere in the world.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    It certainly varies from congregation to congregation, let alone country to country.

    I never heard the Smurf thing until I came on here, and I was an 80's kid.

  • trailerfitter
    trailerfitter

    from the outside, the UK one appear to be more liberal. I mean her bible teacher "says" she reads all sorts of books and her daughter is participating in higher education. The mind set is still the same.. Staements like " things are getting worse" is a sure sign that t we are on the JW yellow brick road. All those little things they say , that I have been warned about from US sources are the same. spooky stuff.

    PUNK OF NICE....I thought you lived in New Zealand for some odd reason...

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Some things are definitely not so strict in the U K as in the USA , IMHO..

    Take the apostate thing for example. I know that some have been d/f'd and that congs. may differ - but in my case I have had straight talks with elders of four congregations and neither one wanted to start proceedings. Recently I had a firm chat with a new elder in town , 3 days later they studied the infamous "Apostate Mentally diseased" Watchtower... I waited for a reaction, but nothing ....I have known several families who keep contact with d/f'd family members.

    Somebody above mentioned the counting of time . In the U K they religiously start when they call at the first door and stop as soon as they leave the last one and take off any breaks (unless they have been to Pioneer School and wised up!)

    I am sure that there are other things but from what I read on the board, I think Americans are tighter about things.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    In California they are very loose and laid back.

    Many drink alcohol in parties openly

    I can't imagine any JW party, wedding, wake, Super Bowl, World Series (go Rangers) without plenty of beer, bourbon, and boisterous fun.

    DOC

  • cedars
    cedars

    Short answer, YES - the "truth" is different in every country, sometimes subtley, sometimes not so.

    Some countries have their own lingo (only in America do they call brothers "friends" all the time, at least to my knowledge), some are more tolerant than others of swearing, alcohol etc, some take rules and procedures to the nth degree whereas others tend to be more lenient and casual. I think it mostly depends on the culture and characteristics of the local population. These all have an influence in shaping the local incarnation of the borg. Unfortunately, the common denominator is reverance for the Governing Body. That's something we need to work on!

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    It is interesting b/c I grew up in the Bethel footprint. My father was at Bethel under Rutherford and Knorr. It was a much smaller religion. They sent Bethelites out to the Bronx, Westchester, and NJ for meetings. The purpose was to snoop and report back. I am here today b/c of the program. Also b/c it was smaller then, the local long-time JWs would call Bethel about personality issues, etc. frequently. After the religion expanded, newcomers were not as much regimented. Since they had less contact with Bethelites, they just suffered in silence.

    My extended family were JWs. Out of the hearing of other Witnesses, they would get outraged and call fellow JW family members to vent. There was alway a vow of "I'll call X, they will be sorry." "This is big. Brother ........has to intervene." There was definitely grandiosity in it. All the while condemning Catholics for their hierarchy.

    I saw vast differences between inner city, mostly black KHs, and then the suburban town. My experience was that black congregations were nicer.

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