by N.drew 24 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse
Kind of a dumb argument if you ask me. What kind of a parent would let their young kids be alone around cleaning equipment, chemicals and possibly lawn care equipment?
Its all about the false sense of security. They aren't truly alone with cleaning equipment, Brother Pedophile is right there making sure the kids dont drink the bleach.
They're raking leaves. And that is the point Norcal-Sun. The false sense of security. Yes, brothers of JW are suppose to be veiwed even in a better light than fleshly family. Correct! Thank you! You get an A plus from me!
Teary still doesn't think you really get it.
The overwhelming majority of child abuse is carried out by members of the victims' own family. So the 'false sense of security' should really lie with blood relatives, and not nearly so much with little old ladies and old geisers in the congregation. The parents should still be responsible and watch their own kids though regardless of where they are.
Not saying of course that there isn't a risk of abuse from strangers out in a public place, but that risk is minimal compared to the risk from relatives. It is like comparing the risk of being in a car accident with the risk of being eaten by a shark.
It is also not likely to happen at a Kingdom Hall. 84% of sexual victimization of children under age 12 occurs in a residence. Even older children are most likely to be assaulted in a residence. 71% of sexual assaults on children age 12-17 occur in a residence.
OK. Thank you. There have been children victimized at the Kingdom Hall.
I take it Teary, you are not a Jehovah's Witness, never been?
Of course most children are abused by family members. That's who they are with most of the time.
So, the brothers and sisters at Kingdom Hall are supposedly in good standing with Jehovah God.
That is how they teach it. They say Holy Spirit directs the congregation, therefore a pediophile has
no business there according to the pattern that is to be expected of the family of God ect ect.
Yes, parents should always know where and with whom the child is with, but it might feel like
denying that the Holy Spirit knows the Holy Spirit's business. Which would be to dis-fellowship
child abusers and make them known to families of Jehovah's Witnesses.
You are saying I don't get that the child is the responsibility of the parent?
The child is the responsibility of the parent. I agree.
"There have been children victimized at the Kingdom Hall."
And there have been children victimized at Mcdonalds, and at a Bapitist church, and in the middle of a park, and in the middle of a classroom full of people, and a school, and while riding a rollercoaster...but that doesn't mean that there is some kind of extra, substantial risk at those places, or that the places should be locked down and the people associated with them should be demonized.
A handful of cases in a handful of 100,000 congregations over the course of 100 years doesn't say much either.
"the brothers and sisters at Kingdom Hall are supposedly in good standing with Jehovah God."
I don't think you have nearly enough evidence to support a value judgement like that on 7 million people. Over generalize much?
"Which would be to dis-fellowship child abusers and make them known to families of Jehovah's Witnesses."
The congregations do indeed disfellowship abusers (try reading their policies). Additionally, have you ever considered that the congregations might not have the legal authority to publically disclose information on a person's past like that? You get up in front of 100+ people and announce "Bro. so and so did such and such back in 1956 and so you should all avoid him," and there is going to be a whole giant can of legal worms opened up.
So my last KH small group!!! We had a cleaning list and the PO's wife was a bit of a clean nut!!! It was broken down by families!! Your family would be assigned a week and you were to clean the hall, bathrooms, and vaccume the hall!! If not the Po's wife would throw a fit!!! I thought it was over kill to be honest so would "foget" my week from time to time just to mess with her!!
Teary, when we lived in London a paedophile merely got moved to another congregation.
Furthermore, an Elder who had a conscience mentioned presence of the paedophile to parents so that they could keep more of an eye on their children, the Elder got disfellowshipped along with his wife who supported him.
I agree there are paedophiles everywhere and to the victim it doesn't matter whether they are a JW, a rugby player or a stree cleaner the trauma is the same. However, the point here is that when someone is in a position of trust we are more relaxed therefore when you are around other JWs of course parents are more relaxed believing fellow witnesses not to be padeophiles so they have MORE opportunity than everyone else.
All people want is to feel protected and safe when amongst fellow Christians not more at risk which is what has happened and may still be happening.
No dear Teary, I can't say your argument is valid. Baptism to a JW means salvation. Salvation comes from keeping oneself without spot from the world. Therefore viewing a baptised brother or sister as bad is standing against the Governing Body, which is a definite NO NO for Jehovah's Witnesses. OK? So if the brother's crime is kept secret, that is a dis-service to families with children in the Kingdom Hall. Because they are taught to believe all in good standing as Jehovah's Witnesses are SAVED. To be suspicious of a brother of sister in good standing goes against the belief of Jehovah's Witnesses.
protecting your children involves teaching them, empowering them, and teach them to protect themselves. It is dangerous to teach them to trust adults automatically. show them that respecting adults is not the same thing as trusting adults.
lifestooshort welcome to forum! What you say is correct, and I know for a fact that children do not listen at the meetings, so they do not know that being a bapitised JW in good standing means the same as being a good person who is saved. But that is a JW teaching never the less.
