Will Good People Go to Hell?

by leavingwt 41 Replies latest jw friends

  • dgp
    dgp

    Question: Where was the value of Abraham taking Isaac to the mount and going along with killing him if YHWH so requested?

    Let us remember that, as a reward for his willingness to kill his only son, Abe got the prize of innumerable descendants. There is no question that claim is made of a reward for the action.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    Question: Where was the value of Abraham taking Isaac to the mount and going along with killing him if YHWH so requested?

    It was a test of faith for Abe, so that Abe could see for himself that HE had the faith to do all that God said he would.

    When going up to the mountain Abe told his servants that THEY would return, Abe knew that somehow God would provide that they BOTH would return alive.

    God knew the outcome and knew that nothing would happen to Isaac.

    For all we know God could have decided to allow Abe to kill Isaac and then raise Isaac from the dead with no meomory of what happened.

    The story could have gone many possible ways.

  • elderelite
    elderelite

    Im already there every day >.<

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    God knew the outcome and knew that nothing would happen to Isaac.

    Wait, PSac - are you saying that Abraham did not have FREE WILL in the matter?

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    Wait, PSac - are you saying that Abraham did not have FREE WILL in the matter?

    Of course he had free will, that God knows the choice(s) we will make doesn't mean that HE CAUSES Us to make them.

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    Of course he had free will, that God knows the choice(s) we will make doesn't mean that HE CAUSES Us to make them.

    But, but - if God knows the choice he would make, then did he really have a choice?

    Anyway - we are off topic...we could go to hell for being off topic...

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    But, but - if God knows the choice he would make, then did he really have a choice?

    He still has to make the choice right? God knows what choice he will make but it is ABE MAKING it.

    Anyway - we are off topic...we could go to hell for being off topic...

    hell may be hot, but I hear the hostess are smoking !

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    hell may be hot, but I hear the hostess are smoking !

    Is that the beer fairy? I think she came to my house for trick or treat last night!!!

    Was it free will that caused me to let her in, or was that predestination?

    Will this cause me to go to hell?

  • undercover
    undercover

    God knows what choice he will make but it is ABE MAKING it.

    So if God knows ahead of time what any one supposed free moral agent is going to do, then why doesn't he make sure that the bad choice one makes does not impact those who are making good choices?

    Which goes back to the question, why not just take the life spirit away from the evil and wicked if he knows that up front? Why allow wickedness and suffering to continue?

  • undercover
    undercover

    I think she came to my house for trick or treat last night!!!

    LOL who said Halloween was so bad?

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