Love amongst the "brothers"

by Thirdson 27 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Thirdson
    Thirdson

    The one thing that JWs claim is the love they have for one another. I am well aware of some of the things that have been done in the congregation for members and I believe real love was shown. In times of natural disaster JWs have been very good at caring for their own.

    But the examples I could cite as proof of JWs brotherhood have a flip side. And it is that side I am interested in. There is a wealth of experience on this board and I want to use this as example of the selective "love" of JWs. Would any care to share their experience. I am interesting in personal or family experiences not hearsay. I am interested in stories of help given when new and the withdraw of support when you were deemed spiritually weak or you were cast of the right "clique".

    Have real is this love or is it a sham?

    Thirdson

  • LB
    LB

    When we studied and for a year after baptism we received a lot of love and help. For example when it came time to do firewood there were a half dozen young guys spliting and carrying wood for me. We burn about 10 cords of wood a year and they would make short work of the project. We fed them and all seemed to have fun.

    As soon as I became inactive these same young men would ignore me in the store. I've gone hunting and fishing with them, taken them on trips with me and they've had dozens of meals at my home. I really did care about them.

    But your friendships just depend on the perception of your spirituality. I would have maintained all my JW friends had I faked it.

  • TR
    TR

    When I became inactive in '95, there was a two year period that followed where I was ignorant of the "truth about the truth". It wasn't until '97 that I got on the net and found out. In that two year period, I was visited only once by the PO and the CO. It was at the urging of a close friend, who subsequently was df'd, that the PO and CO visited me, and of course because of the CO visit.

    In the 11 years that I was a JW, I was invited to JW gatherings a total of 3 times.

    I suspect this was because I was a JW with an "unbelieving" mate, and most in the cong didn't want to fellowship with me because of that. The next elders visit came two days after I sent them a "DA" letter. The first thing the elder asked me was, "Are you smoking cigarettes?" Oh, yes, my experience as a JW was just chock full of love and concern.

    TR

    I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way.
    --Robert Frost, 1935

  • GermanXJW
    GermanXJW

    Before I stepped down as a MS I spoke to my wife about it. I told her that this could result in that the brothers are suspicious and would perhaps shun us. (Germans love titles like elder, MS, Pioner etc, when you lose your privilege you lose your reputation. When you step back voluntarily they think that you had to.) My wife's answer was: And where would be the change? We had moved in and the brothers did not really care about us - except there was work to do, then they found our phone number.

    But there were also some very kind brothers and sisters. But my opionion is that they were loving because they were the persons they were and not because they were JW.

  • DazedAndConfused
    DazedAndConfused

    Thirdson, you might want to read a thread started by Tatiana regarding the love aamongst the Brothers.

    * http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=20285&site=3

    There are many stories of how many were treated. I posted part of my story there also.

  • lauralisa
    lauralisa

    Hi Thirdson,

    Thank you for bringing up this issue and providing me with a context to write out something that will always and forever WEIRD ME OUT.

    There are many cummulative reasons why I bolted from the "trooth", but the thing that made the scales fall from my eyes is the following: I'll try to be brief!

    A. Power Pioneer sister (credentials exemplary in every way) has a very special "gift" for me. It turns out to be a WT/Awake renewal slip; the kind that used to require a personal visit to the recipient to see if they were still "potentially suseptible." It is for a young woman who has shown much interest in the past, but who struggles dearly with serious mental illnesses (bipolar disorder, OCD, sexual abuse recovery issues, etc). The "understanding" was that she was handing this "call" off to me. I was supposed to feel "honored" or something.

    B. I begin to call and visit this young woman, and her interest in spiritual things increases. I understand her struggles and we become friends. I DO NOT make our friendship contingent upon the eventuality of her studying or conditional in any way. If she wanted to discuss the bible or WT materials, we would discuss it to HER heart's content, but I didn't use my sincere concern and friendship for her as a manipulative device (STUDY NOW OR I'm outta here...)

    C. She decides she wants to start a formal study with the Knowledge book.

    D. Power Pioneer sister (PPS) yanks study from me and flies with it. (I didn't care; those field service numbers always made me want to cringe anyway... still, the absurdity and blatant power plays registered in my mind.)

    E. Study is in a "manic" phase and speeds through her study. Meetings were difficult and triggering for her; I would sit next to her and soothe her with a short explanation or just a reassuring gesture. I kept up my friendship with her, answering any "study" questions that came up if I thought it would help her. CO visits and does not like that we sit in the back and "goof off." No more sitting next to her; she was suddenly only allowed to sit next to PPS. It was also made clear to me that my "intrusions" into the study (huh?) were no longer going to be tolerated.

    F. She gets baptized in a record-breaking few weeks. She was obviously not ready and getting baptized had become an issue relative to her OCD; she had intense anxiety and believed it would be relieved after her baptism. Since the overlords know freakin ZIP about mental illness or human nature or anything else other than raking another one in, they allow this to happen.

    G. She finds herself unable to continue to stay at the assembly after her immersion; her state of mind is too unstable. I wholeheartedly encourage her to have her mom pick her up. She was obviously working herself up into a state which could escalate very quickly - she was going to get worse if she stayed.

    H. She is vilified and criticized for leaving, and I was told something to the effect that I was a bad influence on her spiritually. My own "spirituality" is now in question.

    I. She ends up in the hospital. Being a minor, she needs her mother's signature on a "blood card". Mom won't sign. New sister won't commit to doing whatever it takes to refuse blood on the hospital forms. New sister is NOT in a position to make an informed decision about what to have for lunch, much less an inflammatory conflict-laden issue such as requiring the hospital staff to allow her to die in the event of... whatever.

    J. PPS is so aghast at the flagrant disobedience of Jehovah's LAW here that she proceeds to denegrate this person to anyone who will listen. The fact was that she didn't want any collateral messiness of this whole mishandled fiasco to reflect upon HERSELF. She implies (in the way that only PPS's can get away with) that there is some trouble with "demons" here.

    K. No one, NO ONE, visits this new sister in the hospital (well, except me). She is really floundering now, and is heavily medicated. Her doctors have to chemically intervene with her ability to think because her efforts to articulate the bizarre events that had just transpired in the past couple of weeks are twisting her brain into a KNOT. She wants to kill herself, but cannot figure out if she's condemned by God or not.

    L. She stops going to meetings. People visit her, call her at all times of morning and night, even when asked not to, and it's clear that they are not interested in discussing anything relative to HER needs; personally, I'm jaded enough at this point to conclude they are simply racking up "return visit" numbers on their... whatevers.......

    M. I still keep in touch with her. She's researched the organization and is glad to be out. They still call her....... after more than l8 months......... They don't call me, though. Maybe I'm demonized?

    Moral of story: Power Pioneer Sister is the mother of all things loving and wonderful, until study subject actually reveals limits and needs AFTER SHE IS BAPTISED. New sister is suddenly toast. Demonized toast, at that.

    Thanks for bringing up the subject, and letting me rant.

    lauralisa

  • teenyuck
    teenyuck

    When my mother got divorced she had $2.36 in the bank...no job skills, etc. My father cleaned out the savings and left. She still brings up the amount and how far she came from that.

    She went to the elders who paid the mortgage. It was only $220.00, however, it was lifesaving. She would have missed the payment etc.

    We ended up on welfare until she got a job and was able to pay herself. If the bros had not paid the mortgage we would have been evicted.

    She got remarried when I was 19...to a worldly! She did not tell the elders. When her marriage broke up 2 years later (he was a terrible physical abuser) the elders came over to see if she were "spiritually free!"

    They tried to get intimate information from her. She refused to tell them, after the below encounter.

    Before she was remarried, she committed fornication once. I know because she came home from visiting with her long time worldly boyfriend and confessed to me. I begged her not to go to the elders, however, she felt that she had to confess to be clean. They DF'd her immediately!

    During her "inquisition" they asked her every intimate question about her "fornication." She came home in tears, telling me "Fat Brother XXXX" had an erection while she was telling them all the sordid details.

    She fought them and went to the Society and somehow got it overturned. In the meantime, we were shunned, vilified and called names by the congregation.

    The same elders are at her congregation.

    Personally, I drifted away after this. I simply could not believe that they would DF her after she was so sorry.

  • Thirdson
    Thirdson

    Thanks for the replies so far.

    Dazed,

    Thanks for the link. I had missed the thread previously. I am so sorry about the way you have been treated and for your loss. I am sorry if I have brought back painful memories. Tatiana tells a heart breaking story. I appreciate being able to read it this time.

    Laura,

    Your story is very typical, I am glad you keep in touch and have proved to be a true friend.

    Thirdson

  • ghenrymt
    ghenrymt

    All you have to do to lose your JW friends, generally speaking (there are exceptions, here and there), is to mention that you are having "problems," or are finding it difficult to get to meetings due to your circumstances. I am thinking, in particular, of all the superficially loving people in our former congregation in Florida, after my wife and I moved to California.

    Out of about ten people who gave us their email addresses and promised to stay in contact, there were two, as I recall, who made any actual effort to stay in contact by answering our emails - which were very positive at first, nothing even remotely objectionable about them: "Things are going well with us, hope you are doing well, we miss you." - That sort of stuff. And then as our circumstances deteriorated, so did our relationships with our so-called "friends." I suppose they figured that if we were having "problems" (practical in nature, but affecting our spiritual lives), the local elders should be handling it - and if they weren't, we should sink or swim on our own. In any case, "Jehovah provides for his own."

    - George

    I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
    than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
    - Harry Emerson Fosdick

  • 2SYN
    2SYN

    From what I've read here (and experienced personally) Dubs definitely have turned the oxymoron 'conditional love' into a valid English language construct. Damn, I thought I had it bad, but people like PuffsRule's mom must have had it several orders of magnitude worse than I did. There are maybe a handful of Dubs I have known who TRULY displayed the sort of brotherly love that the WTBTS extolls so hollowly and hypocritically - one was an actual elder, but he was a very humble, nice guy (from Nigeria). He's actually one of the nicest people I've ever met! It's a pity I lost touch with him. About a year after I DA'd myself, I saw him at my place of work (I was a salesmen for about a year, urgh), and he was just so unbelievably friendly. I was stunned. He was like 'Hi, how are you keeping, we miss you in the KH, blah blah blah...' when really I think it was him and his wife who were probably the only people who missed me, I guess the rest of the people in that particular hall probably thought 'Good riddance'. Same to them!!!

    Damn, I'm still trying to wrap my head around PuffsRule and Lauralisa's stories...geez...

    The earlier in the forenoon you take the sun bath, the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing. - The Golden Age

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