I once heard a saying that the cleverest trick of the devil was to convince people that he did not exist...
perhaps the same can be said for the Illuminati type organizations......?
Oz
A Moment Of Truth For 'Illuminati' Types!
by metatron 26 Replies latest jw friends
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metatron
I think the Taylor Caldwell quote hits the nail on the head, "The grip on events was not iron".
I'm not denying that a rich elite exists (that's pretty obvious when you ask, "How on earth did an ineffectual nobody like Obama actually get to be President?" - he was black, kinda-sorta Muslim and a blank slate for the rich banks to use as a facade).
What I'm saying is that the depth and extent of this 'Illuminati' concept (what else can I call it?) is going to be sorely tested soon. We're gonna find out just how much (or little) control they really have. It's amazing, so far, that Greeks and others haven't caught on to the economic boom in Argentina, following their default. The Big Boys hate that subject.
metatron
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Robdar
LRG, I read Captains and the Kings at a young age. I do believe I have never recovered. LOL
As to the topic of this thread, I hope Greece does walk away from it's debt and tells the rest of the EU to go screw themselves. After all, Greece is in for a world of hurt no matter what decision it makes. I hope the Greeks keep their dignity and tell the rest of the EU thanks but no thanks, that they are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. I doubt it will happen but I hope it does.
I was listening to NPR this morning on the way to work. It appears the EU is in serious trouble and looking for a way to get China to help prop it up. Now, as an American who has been told that Capitalism is the greatest thing in the world and that Communism only looks good on paper, I have to wonder why the rest of the free world is looking to Communist China to bail it out. Besides, if the EU is so powerful, how can a small country like Greece bring them to the point of disaster?
I believe it is time we start to re-examine everything we've been told.
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designs
Its the Bonds issued to Greece that will or are worthless, money gone from a country will little mfg. base to pay anything. Germany exports to China so China has reason enough to assist in a financial crisis and China wants to have a prefered currency someday, if they stiff the EU now they will pay for it later..
Study Argentina as a case of post Default economy. They have 25% inflation at the moment.
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Robdar
Designs, there are some economists who believe that inflation is not necessarily a bad thing.
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designs
Agreed, below 7%, Argentina will have problems down the road with 25% and Greece if it leaves the Euro may see inflation go through the roof with a currency no one wants.
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designs
ING is taking a $5Billion loss on Bonds it wrote for Greece and laying off 2700 people. This is the worry throughout Europe. China with its some 5-6Trillion in cash is being pressed into international aid but they will extract a price for their help. They will become to Europe what the US was with the Marshall Plan after WWII.
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Band on the Run
China is interesting. Free flowing capitalism with no democracy. I posted recently that the Democratic and Republican candidates for president end up becoming centrist. Altho I campaign for Dems, I don't view the parties as far apart in the center. As Paul Simon wrote in my youth, "any way you look at it you lose." Pete Townshend's Don't Get Fooled Again is also food for thought.
We never ever have a chance to vote for or against capitalism. The world offers an array of ways to set up a society. We seem to uphold the same British mercantile interests that the colonists challenged Britain not to change but to have more self-determination. Our society is not inevitable. The elections seem to boil down to how "hot" someone can be marketed.
China must not regulate its industries well. Their currency manipulation has drained the holdings of other countries for decades. No one has been able to restrain China's currency protection. The New York Times gave prominent coverage to the European quest for Chinese money. If they leave the US, and they are fed up with us, the US will sink. All of this was foreseeable so why did not someone act.
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Its interesting that a portion of the burgeoning new upper class in China want to leave.
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Band on the Run
Do they? I have not seen data. When Mao was in power, I met some of the first students allowed to study here. They did not seem part of the real world. There was an awkwardness in their manner similar to the WT. When they volunteered that they would never ever go back, I was frightened for their families. One taxi driver I had was imprisoned for years during the Cultural Revolution. Did he hate the govt. One of the first lawyers admitted to study in the states was part of my class. He was so urbane. I did not see how he differed from us.
Chinese students now sound much as students anywhere. The more I was exposed to the West and Japan, the more I would find the govt. controls outrageous. I don't see how the Chinese govt. can keep a tight lid on things when there is so much interaction with trade.