Is There A Nice Way To Say, 'It's Dying?'? (page 4)

Magwitch

Stuck...

Education is demonized, which means that the next generation (non overlapping) will be stupider than the previous generation

How can that even be possible?? LOL

There's a number of reasons. It's a side effect, but the simplification programme of the past 20 years has reduced the joy that used to be had in some activities. Simply eliminating the food service at conventions meant that young people had a greatly reduced oppotunity to meet and speak.

Cracking down on large gatherings means that often the congos now play it safe, and don't organise any social events at all.

In the 80's, the org was more family oriented, the pioneers of the seventies, in many cases, settled down and had kids. These 2nd or 3rd gen kids of the 80s have grown up with computers & modern technology. They are in their 20s or early 30s now, and do not have the attitude that they will sacrifice everything for the society. They see their true believer parents growing old with not much provision for their old age and won't let the same fate happen to them. They do not have the "this generation will by no means pass away" imperative of earlier witness generations. (I use the word generation here in it's classical, actual sense) This generation treats the society as a social club. If they're in a cool clique and find a partner they're set! They are cultural or nominal Jdubs, in that they dont let the religion interfere with their lives. Sure they'll do a bit of service on a Saturday, sure the boys will do the mikes but they will not continue pioneering like their parents did - if they ever started. They'll politely ignore the council on higher education, often tactitly supported by their parents, and they'll work full time and not 'reach out' like their Dads did.

To tell an old Jdub that the org is dying is a hiding to nothing, but to ask them why the young people arent as zealous as they were a few years ago, "and why is that?" can lead to some interesting conversations, especially if you ask what could be changed to help them

Sapphy

& stuckinamovement - great list!

Just wondering, of the 1.5 billion hours reported, if you take off travelling time, coffee break, sitting in the car waiting for others, time spent at the field service group & pure fake hours I think the society would be lucky to end up with 500 million actual preaching hours.

If you were to knock off family study and placing the magazine with your worldly family route route calls you'd get fewer than that IMHO

flipper

METATRON- I don't think there IS a nice way to say the WT society " is dying " to active, fanatic JW relatives. I think a person like us fading ex-JW's CAN implant ideas in a JW who is sitting on the fence and may be missing tons of meetings or is hardly active at all themselves in the organization. The problem lies in active JW's being told to rat out ANYBODY who says anything negative about the WT society.

Now if you don't care if you stay connected to these particular JW relatives - then by all means - go ahead and say the WT society is dying. But if you still want these people in your life, best to be cautious about what you say. I have to curtail how much I say to many of my JW relatives also. It sucks, one reason I don't see the fanatic relatives that much. Good luck

satinka

Mary wrote:

How about: "...The Organization is passing away and so its desire......."

Love it!

satinka

skeeter1

How about point to another religious movement that has lost members?

"I was driving by the Christian Scientist church last week, and there was just a few really old people going into it. I went to my stop, and as I returned by, the services must have been on. However, the parking lot was pretty empty. I wanted to go inside to see how many people were in there, but I didn't. I have a neighborhood friend who is Christian Scientist and she said that her parents report that there are mainly older people there and they are losing members. The church is asking for more & more donations from the followers that remain."

Just make some parallels.

zengalileo

Getting to the Point Written by Jeff Lynne
Performed by
Electric Light Orchestra from "Balance of Power" G G/B It's out of control (out of control) C D And there's nothing I can do now G G/B Out of control (out of control) C D Swimming softly through the blue now Bm Em And look beyond these walls Am Bm C As the meaning starts to dawn D (Em-D-C) It's getting to the point G Getting to the point. G G/B It's out of control (nothing I can do) C D Like a fire that keeps on burning G G/B And nobody knows (what I'm going through) C D And the thoughts just keep returning Bm Em And all you had to say Am Bm C Was that you were gonna stay D (Em-D-C) It's getting to the point D G It's getting to the point. [ Tab from: http://www.guitaretab.com/e/electric-light-orchestra/5977.html ] Chorus: G D C It's getting to the point G/B(no 3rd) Where nobody can stop it now G D C It's getting to the point G/B(no 3rd) Of no return G D C And all that I can do G Em Is stand and watch it now Am Bm D Watch it burn, burn, burn G D C It's getting to the point G/B(no 3rd) Where reasons are forgotten G D C It's getting to the point G/B(no 3rd) Where no one knows G D C And all that I can do G Em Is say I'm sorry Am Bm C But that's the way it goes... D G Getting to the point. Forever Is a long, long way Forever Takes your breath away I'd like to talk about it, try to understand It's getting to the point Getting to the point. Chorus: It's getting to the point Where nobody can stop it now It's getting to the point Of no return And all that I can do Is stand and watch it now Watch it burn, burn, burn It's getting to the point Where reasons are forgotten It's getting to the point Where no one knows And all that I can do Is say I'm sorry Am Bm D But that's the way it goes... G Am G/B It's getting to the point (getting to the point) C G Am G/B Getting to the point (getting to the point) C G Am G/B It's getting to the point (getting to the point) C G Getting to the point.

zengalileo

zengalileo

http://youtu.be/kJHpJKMTDQA

Tried to put the video in this box like I've seen some do, but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

wannabefree

Tried to put the video in this box like I've seen some do, but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

If you are using Internet Explorer 8 or earlier, it is automatic, if you are using Firefox or Chrome .... copy the link from youtube, paste it in the "Post a reply ..." text box, then highlight what you pasted, click on the chain link in the text style box (below "Font family"), paste the link again in the Link URL box, click insert .... BOOM done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJHpJKMTDQA

Is There A Nice Way To Say, 'It's Dying?'?

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