The future of fairy tales

by gravedancer 27 Replies latest jw friends

  • gravedancer
    gravedancer

    ok - so wait a second here let me see if I understand your religious view:

    Traditional Christianity says: sinners (non-believers such as myself are included in that bucket) will burn forever in hell. I assume until you tell me otherwise that you share that belief.

    So traditional Christians can hold that view (which they have every right to and they can express it too) but it "should not apply to my thought process"?

    So they can express their condemnatory beliefs and I play ostrich? Or what is the game?

  • speechless
    speechless

    when you say "express it" are you saying via some perverted group of Christians such as JWs?

    I, myself, will not condemn you

    I would never say to your face "you shall burn in Hell"

    then, I suppose, I would be just like those whom I just spoke of (for such was the thinking of our American forefathers and Hitler, etc.)

    in MY religion, it is the responsibility of God to judge.

    whomever takes that responsibility upon themselves is really someone to be afraid (mentally thinking)

  • gravedancer
    gravedancer

    I see....

    but saying that you are "not the judge" in my mind is a copout. Perhpas you are polite and would never tell me I will burn in hell. But the teachings of traditional Christianity teach that I will. there is no reason for you to hide...

    I know the teachings...

  • speechless
    speechless

    like I said, if someone takes the responsibility of God upon their shoulders and say "you shall burn in Hell", I would even rebuke 'em!

    they are, in fact, forcing their beliefs upon you.

    I surely cannot be the first to tell you that in 2000yrs, PEOPLE have grossly distorted the teachings of Christ.

    Christ never forced, but spoke - and people listened (by free will).

  • Mindchild
    Mindchild

    Mindchild decided to come and stir up trouble when he read Speechless saying:

    gravedancer - you are part of the problem of the world.

    if we could all just respect everyones personal beliefs, the world would find peace.

    religion does not cause war, hatred, etc. - it is people like you who think you 'know it all' and attempt to forcefully broadcast your shallow ideology upon others.

    respect my beliefs and I will respect yours.

    Hmmm, I'm wondering why so many people hang onto paradigms like this that are not only hard to do in real life but even worse, encourage the development of memes and mind viruses that make the world a much worse place. I have to say for the record I disagree completely with you Speechless.

    My reasoning for this isn't so much an issue of "fairness" and the idea of sharing "equality" it is rather that I have a difficult time respecting dangerous and deleterious behavior by others.

    If a criminal mobster has the belief that it is good and proper to go out and kill people who look at him the wrong way, our collective cultural values recoil at the thought of respecting this individual's beliefs. Indeed, for reasons of our own collective safety, we lockup and isolate such dangerous preditors from our society. When the radical belief systems behind the destruction caused on 9/11 emerged, they caused worldwide condemnation and for good reason. In reality, we don't always respect other people's beliefs.

    I know I used extreme examples here but what about a more moderate approach to respecting the beliefs of others? Should we respect the beliefs of the Witnesses for example? Even here I disagree, even though I have less support in numbers. I think the end result of the Witness belief ideology is human misery, coupled with real deaths of many by suicide or complications from medical beliefs leading to death. Their religion is a killer. These people often break laws when it is in their own "belief" interests and even worse, they spread and propogate their vindictive and life negative beliefs as much as possible. True, they may not have any malicious intent to do so, but they symbolically are like the insane psychotic person who is dangerous to be around.

    I think it not only okay to disrespect their belief but also to discredit it as much as possible. I'm not interested in "getting along with them." I want to see what they are doing stopped before they ruin more lives with their negative mind viruses.

    Now if someone wants to belive in the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus, I don't get worked up as much as the side effects of these memes are much less poignant. Yet what a great shame it is to see many people blindly following religions all over the world who don't do much more for them than being a crutch to deal with reality.

    Personally I would love to see a BELIEF TAX. You could have your freedom of choice to belive what you want but the more it subtracts from making the world a more liveable and life friendly place, the more you end up paying. If this happened, then the dubs would really end up going broke.

    Hope this doesn't make you more speechless.

    Skipper

  • Sunchild
    Sunchild

    Not to get in the middle of anything, but I'd like to know more of this "Fuck" religion. Can anyone join? Is there an initiation ceremony? Do I have to wear special attire? I've been so busy with my writing that I haven't had time for... human companionship, and this new religion sounds like just what I need.

    *Rochelle.

    ---------
    "I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper death -- if you aren't as big a bunch of dunderheads as I usually have to teach."
    -- Professor Severus Snape, Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone.

  • speechless
    speechless

    mindchild -

    perhaps you missed my inclusion of the term 'virtuous religion' in the same reply?

    I believe I did acknowledge the validity of your concern?

    there are many religions (to these I include atheists and agnostics) that desire virtues and peace

    but I believe you're going beyond and contemplating on those religions, etc. that distort basic virtues and preach what is evil is good

    this is a concern in our day and age on the magnitude of a global Holy War, one I pray my children will never encounter!

    if you, in fact, KILL me over your religious beliefs, then you have in fact forced your belief upon me; and YES, I agree that such a criminalistic mindset and civilized depravity needs to be outlawed!

  • Celtic
    Celtic

    Hell guy's Gravedancer & MC, give Speechless a break, for goodness sake, you're showing yourselves up, badly too. This is a fairly recent newcomer to the board and all you can do is attack the belief structure of this individual. I thought you guy's had reasonable minds, so how come you can talk with me ok, knowing that I still believe in Jesus and not knock my beliefs, but you can do it with a newcomer here? People have left the board for these reasons.

    If you need to take someone on, come and see me. Strueth!!

    Mark

  • Mindchild
    Mindchild

    Speechless thank you for bringing that to my attention. I really have no objection to others having different reality tunnels or comprehensive views of reality other than the qualifications I mentioned in my post about some of these belief systems being dangerous to others. Unfortuantely the way things are handled in the real world in dealing with the true negative beliefs tends to encourage them more to pursue fantatism. We have seen the Middle East and other regions of the world become constant hot spots because of these religious and political beliefs combined together. I hope we don't have a holy war either but I think the terrorism will only get worse.

    It would be nice to clean the slate and start over again with people respecting each other and working towards making the world a better place for all no matter what belief we choose but somewhere that idealism failed and we have the world as it is. What is the answer to all these problems? I sure don't know.

    Skipper

  • buffalosrfree
    buffalosrfree

    Speechless .... eh well then make it so, stifle yourself.

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