Art without rules is not art. It's called therapy.
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The REAL atheist meaning of life . . .
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PSacramento
It isn't that there ARE NO RULES for living our life, PSac. It is that the rules are determined BY US OURSELVES, based on OUR OWN reason.
You do see how this can lead to a dangerous path, right?
Rules determined by who? those in power? those with the military might? rules that bring indivudal happiness ?
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TheUbermensch
Art without rules is not art. It's called therapy.
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And PSac, can you explain how that would be a dangerous path?
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N.drew
I understand you PSac, I think you are right. If "rules determined by ourselves" becomes loose for anyone to be caught by, well....isn't that a problem?
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N.drew
Being led by "rules determined by the self"
is not dangerous for the individual. It's muti-dangerous for the world.
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james_woods
And yes, even musicians follow the basic rules of their instruments.
Some might argue that point about Frank Zappa.
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PSacramento
And PSac, can you explain how that would be a dangerous path?
Sure:
The reign of terror in France
Nazi Germany.
Stalin's rule
Mao's "cultural revolution"
Phom Pot's reign
They guy in Romania' whos name escapes me.
And of course the cover-ups in the RCC.
To name just a few.
That is what happens when people ( indivduals and/or groups) decide on their own rules.
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bohm
psac: I miss the point of your post, those are clearly examples of awfull moral systems, but where does that lead us? It is dangerous to unquestionably put prevailing moral ideals over our own even though ones group accept them? It is allways wise to think twice about moral issues before acting? I doubt you will find many here who object to such ideas...
And if that is not the point, what is it then?
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TheUbermensch
Aha, of course you are not talking about "their own rules" you are talking about how gullible human beings are when tyrants are in charge (illustrated excellently in the Bible). These weren't "their own rules" these were rules they set so that they control millions of people. I think an excellent exapmle of people using their own rules would be someone along the lines of
John Lennon
Martin Luther King Jr.
Mahatma Ghandi
etc.
And I don't know if you've ever read "Night" by Elie Wiesel, or seen any films concerning the Holocaust, but most Jews in the beginning believed that God was condemning them for wrongdoing, or that God would save them from the horror. This mindset is illustrated greatly in "Night", and how eventually most came to the realization that God either 1) did not care about the Jews or 2) God was never there in the first place. This is the main reason the Jews never revolted, they believed God would do something about it... I mean how could God allow 6 million people to be killed simply because of their heritage and religion? One Ghetto, the Warsaw Ghetto eventually fought back. There were about 400 to 1,000 of them and they survived for around 6 months. Imagine if they had never believed that God would save them. Imagine how many would be alive today.
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james_woods
I think the thread is veering off topic, which is too bad because the original post is an excellent point.
There is no standard model for "atheist theology" or any "REAL" atheist meaning of life.
Those "athiests" who try to create one are fooling themselves IMHO in the sense that they are creating their own religion, just as surely as C T Russell or L. Ron Hubbard did. Not only that, but they sound extremely silly when they pitch protests about other people's religion. Why should they care what someone else believes?