Divided Households... Can anyone relate?

by garyneal 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    As some of you may know, ours is a 'divided household.' A term use by Jehovah's Witnesses to describe households where one spouse is in 'The Truth TM ' and the other one isn't. In some of them (like mine) the 'unbelieving spouse' (UBM) may actually express a faith in the God of the Bible and in Christianity and perhaps even go to church. Others (like those of my wife's aunt's and cousins) consist of an UBM who may not express any particular faith at all or who may express a faith but does not practice it. Whatever.

    My question is primarily to the ones who have children in such households or to those who were children growing up in such households. What was it like? What did you think about while growing up? I guess I am just trying to get a glimpse into what my daughters may be seeing and maybe some support and / or advice from those who are also UBM's (like me).

    So tell me about yourself, your JW spouse, or parents where one was a witness.

  • tec
    tec

    I have a divided household. My children are growing up with a believing mother, and an atheist father. I figured that at some point, they would 'try out' both sides. If both 'sides', mother and father, respect one another and their choice to belief vs. non-belief, then I think it must be easier on everyone, and the kids learn what it is to have respect for those people who does not share your beliefs - a great lesson, imo. But I can understand the frustration when one parent is undermining the other parent, by belittling or attacking their belief or their spouse personally, and that is not such a great lesson for the kids to learn.

    I think the only thing to do is to continue to live in the best way you can, and set the best e x ample you can, and leave your children to come to their own choices and conclusions. Regardless of whether you have a 'respectful' divided house, or otherwise. Because I can't think of anything else to do, Gary. I'll be keeping my eyes on this thread though, and the advice/insight offered.

    Peace,

    Tammy

  • mamalove
    mamalove

    My mom is a Jdub, dad not. Parents were divorced so that is different than your situation. I was exposed to both kinds of living, but my mother got orders from the court to control all religio us upbringing. So that was my path for a majority until I finally got the nerve to think about things and eventually leave.

    Having a dad who was so loving, balanced, and kind and my mother being a sharp tongued, instantly angry type of person made me more drawn to my father and eventually he won the war...he lost many battles to my mom, but won the war.

    So I think being the best dad you can be, and teaching kids the HUMAN element, not the religious label element goes a long way. Can you share how old your kids are?

    All of that being said, although I am not married anymore, I struggle DAILY with JW indoctrination and trying to balance out my kiddos. Kids are really smart and can smell a hypocrite, so I mostly let the Jdubs trip over themselves and it makes my job easy with a few self answering points of discussion with my kids.

    It is never too late for one of your kids to come around. Just do not give up and make sure you make it clear you will have their back and fight for them if they have pressure.

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    Our kids are 5 and 1.

    Thanks for your responses so far.

  • clearpoison
    clearpoison

    I grew up in such environment (family in bigger context) where for me important persons were some in and some out (da'd, inactive, fading, nvever in). I was thought to live along JW teachings but there was no shunning or bad feelings expressed against those out. I guess I had somewhat different childhood as I was allowed to participate in bdays, christmas and easter if I wanted to with my family, but ofcourse never at home. I saw both worlds and as celebration was never considered a big secret or no-no, in time it really did not matter to me. I learned the way to be part of it without participating. Religious differencies were never aired, at least in my presence. It was more like all parties respected others right to see the world as they wanted and live by that.

    Today my own family could be considered divided one. I am not out officially, but I do not participate in any form of JW activity. My wife again is in and participates in activities, not fanatically but frequently. What comes to our kids, it was ofcourse a surprise for them when I told that I will not participate in JW activities any longer with them. On the other hand it might have been easy to adapt as I was not taking them in field service for years and our meeting attendance (because of me) was not frequent. In this situation my wife made decision to stay in and get her activities back to acceptable level. We made very clear that they should not consult me things concerning JW religion but talk with their mum. We agreed with my wife that I may talk about my own relation to religion, but I will not try to oppose her attempts to learn JW religion. Whenever we discuss about deeper things (my kids are way older than yours Gary) that include religious aspects I do as agreed, I tell my kids my personal view in things and we discuss around that, I tell them also how JW view this issue officially and ask them to discuss the mather further with their mum. Their situation is easier ofcourse as I am not opposing their learned belief or airing another religious view to them. My issues are of personal sort. I see clearly that they are not sure which path to go, I allways ask them to study these things according to JW education, and then considering how they personally relate to that, I have no idea if they do that. I really want that they know what JW doctrine and life is about, as this is the lifestyle their mum values. Then first make qualified decision about direction in their life. If they choose JW life I'm happy as long as they know what that means. If they choose life outside JW religion I'm happy too, as long they know what they left behind. I take them with me to some of my renewed non-JW related activities, this way showing how my life looks like today. Sometimes these collide with meetings but we let the kids decide what they attend, mostly mum has won . In a sense this is the same kind of life I lived, on the other side I participated in JW life and activities, but I could also experience the world outside the JW context.

    CP

  • Morbidzbaby
    Morbidzbaby

    I grew up in a divided home. My mom was a dub, dad was not. He wasn't any particular denomination, but he basically handed the "religious training reigns" over to my mother, so my brother and I grew up completely involved with the JW's.

    Dad smoked, cussed, told racist jokes, etc. Never celebrated holidays per se. We didn't have a tree, he didn't make us all do Thanksgiving, etc. If he wanted to celebrate, he went to his parents' house...but he did insist we go over there on Christmas Day, just to be with family. Usually, my grandparents had no gifts for us because it was against my mother's wishes...but my grandmother would always offer us candy canes off the tree. It was a guilty pleasure for us, and the closest we could come to actually celebrating. My mom fed us the line about "getting gifts all year round" and we parroted it to others who asked if we were sad that we didn't get anything. But then we realized..."Hey...we don't get SHIT all year round!" so, for me, that's when I started feeling left out. I'm sure my brother felt that way as well.

    We grew up with the constant fear that Armageddon would be coming soon and our Daddy was going to die. This put a MAJOR block in our relationship with him. I didn't want to get close to my father, even as a little girl, because I didn't want it to hurt so bad when I had to watch Jehovah kill my Daddy.

    We got older and at that point we would always have rathered staying home with Dad, or going out wherever he was going, whether it was to yard sales, flea markets, fishing, whatever. It always seemed like he had something much more fun planned. We hated the meetings. But Mom always made us go on Sundays and sometimes service on Saturdays (Dad wasn't willing to ALWAYS give up his entire weekend with his family). Every once in awhile we could pitch fit and Dad would take us with him instead. It was rare though.

    The way the congregation saw us and treated us spoke volumes and was part of what helped me to wake up. It can't be called anything but abuse and bullying, really. My brother and I were blamed for things we didn't do, just because Brother Pompous Elder's son COULDN'T have done it. We were ignored, left out of activites, very rarely were we invited to parties, etc. We just took up space in the hall. One of the elders even took my brother in the bathroom and spanked him because my mother asked him to talk to him so he would behave at the meeting. My brother was about 3 years old. My dad was unaware of what went on.

    Be aware, Gary, that there may be things going on in the congregation that you are not aware of...meaning your wife and your kids may be being treated like second class citizens and being subjected to subtle abuses and you would have no idea. Why do I say this? No matter what happened, no matter who treated us badly and no matter how bad it was, my mother ALWAYS commanded us not to tell our father what happened. Because it would "bring reproach on Jehovah's name". I had a brother threaten to beat me with the belt when I slept over his house because I was giggling with his daughter when we were supposed to be asleep. His wife used me for slave labor while she went out cruising the town or lunching with the other sisters. I had slept over, so I had to help clean her entire house and take care of her baby. And I was not allowed to tell my father. As I got older, the fact that the elders were behaving in a way that might "bring reproach on Jehovah's name" was exactly what led me to start questioning how they could be appointed by Holy Spirit and REMAIN elders if they were doing such things. And asking us to lie to my Dad when he asked how the meeting went...well, my mother was in the wrong, too...but that's just Theocratic Warfare.

    Eventually, my dad became the one I drew close to. My mom was violent, a screamer, etc. Just downright abusive. My dad yelled and said abusive things when we were little, but he stopped when we got older. He realized he had been wrong and changed WITHOUT converting. So we became close. I started hanging out with my dad more, we would go out and hang around with worldly people and have fun. My dad became one of my best friends.

    And then he converted. And I watched my dad change into a JW. And I lost who he REALLY was. And we're really no longer close because I chose to fade from the organization. And my dad who said he'd love me no matter what told me if I left Jehovah, "we can't associate with you anymore". So Armageddon didn't kill my dad. The Watchtower Society did.

    I guess my advice as a woman who grew up in a divided household with a JW mother is this: Be there for your kids. Get close to them. Let them know they can talk to you about ANYTHING. Read the Bible with them and ASK THEM QUESTIONS. Not yes or no, and don't let them give you canned answers from the WTBTS. Ask what they think a passage means. What they FEEL about a certain passage. Teach them to think for themselves without relying on Watchtower Babble. Buy them books that talk about different subjects and let them know it's okay to learn. Encourage college education. Encourage them to get good grades and REALLY LEARN.

    Build a foundation of love and knowledge with them...make sure it is rock solid and has an escape hatch with you waiting on the other end.

    As for your wife, if you insist that the children will learn a variety of things about religion/Christianity, she really has no say according to the Watchtower. You could refuse to let her take the kids to the meetings. She has to abide by that. But, I don't think you want to give her the persecution complex and solidify her faith in this cult. But perhaps telling her you'd like your kids to learn more about YOUR religion and how it works or more about the Bible itself. Maybe agreeing to let them go to the Kingdom Hall once a week if they can go to church with you once a week. Remind her that you are under no obligation to let the kids go with her, but you do because you want them to know the beliefs of both their parents so they can make an informed decision when they are older. If you can bring them to church with you (I don't know your denomination or if you even have a specific faith), they may see that "Christendom" isn't all bad and demonic the way they are made out to be at the Hall. They may find comfort and a measure of joy in the freedom they experience in other churches. Especially if they have enjoyable programs for children. It will lessen the "scary" factor that churches have for recovering JW's if they already have experience with a church or churches.

  • Morbidzbaby
    Morbidzbaby

    I wanted to add: My mom grew up in a divided home as well. Her mother was JW, her dad was Catholic. He didn't allow JW things spoken in the house, nor was my grandmother allowed to bring the kids to meetings. She only told them a few things, but the rest of their religious training was in Catholicism. Out of 8 kids, 3 are active JW's, 1 is semi-active but seems to be waking up, 1 is inactive, 1 is DF'ed and has been for as long as I can remember and NEVER wants to go back, and 2 were never baptized. So 5 out of 8 are pretty much not in the organization. Those are pretty good odds...OH and NONE of the grandkids are JW's anymore...Well, one is, but is completely awake, but trapped.

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    Wow Morbid, your story is very moving. It's a shame we don't have a forum story repository. Thx.

    My house is divided and I'm the divider but my wife is brilliant ( she still goes to church but will happily skip meetings to spend time with me ) she is also very strong on allowing them to make up their own minds and even talks with me about how we'll support them through any adverse consequences of drinking, sex etc. So our house may be religiously divided but it's otherwise united and to be honest it's likely my wife will follow me out eventually since her commitment isn't based upon any intense feelings but is more based on tradition.

    Since church is boring as the kids get older I suspect they will follow the pattern of my oldest (11) who exposed to Dawkins, Hitchens and Dad has rejected god and doesnt attend worship type services but still enjoys the church youth club.

  • alias
    alias

    Yep.

    Hubby is invested in this belief system and attends meetings.

    I do not.

    Thankfully, we've grown to a place where its not a huge issue in our relationship anymore.

    My parents and his whole side of the family are active JWs.

    alias

  • blondie
    blondie

    I grew up with a jw mother and non-jw father. The rule officially was the non-jw father was still the head unless he ordered you to break God's law but you still had to put up with the punishment if you refused. I saw my jw mother and others use this to their advantage saying they had to obey their non-jw husband and go with him to the family x-mas party or had to stay home to cook a meal on Sunday for his friends or could not embarrass him by going door-to-door, bible studies only. My father wasn't particularly religious except to make points with his "friends" so we went to weddings in several churches and went to Sunday school on several occasions. We knew the dynamics at a young age how our mother manipulated the situation and blamed my father when the witnesses enquired.

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