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THE WATCHTOWER SAY'S THEY ARE / ARE NOT INSPIRED
by wasblind 59 Replies latest watchtower bible
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The Quiet One
Jhuman14 - The point you are making would depend on whether the Watchtower made a false prediction in Gods name, which would be necessary for it to be a false prophecy (read the Bible if you don't believe this definition), or whether they just strongly (far too strongly some feel) put forward a Biblical theory, without saying 'Jehovah WILL do this' , that didn't pan out. If you can present a WT quote where they said that: Jehovah has said he WILL bring about Armageddon in 1975 or that they spoke for Jehovah in saying the end would come in 1975 (and not just the quote where they say that they should be obeyed as if they were the voice of God, which when read in context was talking about how they teach from Gods Word and so it is like God is talking, NOT that every word in the publications is from God) , then you can maybe prove beyond doubt that they were False Prophets. Otherwise you would seem to be assuming that a person chosen by God cannot make mistakes, such as having a wrong view/theory and then getting their hopes up, which some of Jesus' disciples did.. The WT did not make a prediction and claim it was from God. Or did they? Decide for yourself..
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Vanderhoven7
This video provides textual proof the GB are false prophets. First time I've seen this explanation btw.
Jehovah's Witnesses: False Prophecy or False Interpretation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVoU4gPlA2M&feature=player_embedded
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wannabefree
The Quiet One - Seriously? Surely you were chuckling, even just a little, when you wrote the above.
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The Quiet One
Wasblind - Great point about Moses and the rock.. think about it though. Holy spirit wasn't with him at that time because he took credit for Jehovahs act of bringing forth the water. That didn't prove that the spirit wasn't with Moses before that, or that it would never be again after his mistake, did it? And honestly, have the WT ever taken credit for what Jehovah has done? They only claim to be a 'mouthpiece' or spokesman, so your example doesn't seem to apply.
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wasblind
Thank you Quiet one
It was the holy spirit's " Active force " that caused the water to come from the rock
and even though Moses taking credit was not by guidance from the spirit, his leading
a people truly was, the accounts that happened along the way in the bible back it up
And yes the WTS does claim to be a mouth piece for Jehovah Let's see what the bible states about that
Duet 18:22 " When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah ( spokesman ) and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak."
And guess what, under the main headin' under False Prophets in the reasoning book, they leave that scripture out
of the whole entire chapter, the one that describes them best, check it out for yourself
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wasblind
Hey there Quiet One,
your just playin me right ???? especially bout the post to jhuman
where you say the WTS never said the word "will " in a prediction
" Before the last members of the generation that was " ALIVE " in 1914 pass off the scene, all things foretold " WILL " occur, including the "great tribulation."
the word "WILL " concerning this prediction can be found on pages 97, 200, and 234 in the reasoning book
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The Quiet One
Wasblind - If you reread what I said , the context was that I was asking jhuman to prove that the WT are false prophets with a quote, to back up his claim that they have falsely prophesied in the past with evidence. The WT didn't say that Jehovah would definitely end the system of things in 1975. As to the generation prophecy you refer to, unless someone believes that Jesus' prophecies were all fulfilled in 70ce, a person who believes in both Jesus and the Bible as inspired and trustworthy has only three choices: the generation prophecy has a different meaning than the more obvious interpretations , Jesus was a false prophet, or 1914 being the start of World War 1 (nation against nation) was a coincidence and we're not living in the last days. Jw's believe 1914 was a Biblically significant year, that the last nearly 100 years are fulfilling the signs Jesus gave, and so the WT have realised that a generation doesn't have to mean the obvious. My point is that it was not a prophecy when the WT stated what you have quoted, it was an interpretation of a prophecy Jesus gave. It was at worst an incomplete understanding of Jesus' use of the word generation, one that has been refined. You could say that they have simply looked again at the period of time a generation can last and realised it is not confined to just one narrow definition.
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cedars
This is a subject that I've looked into quite a bit. As many have already said, it's a tangled mess. Watch Tower publications conceal little statements and suggestions designed to lead the reader to the conclusion that they ARE directly inspired by God without actually saying so. They say they are NOT prophets, but then they apply the prophesy of the "two prophets" to themselves (Rev 11:3). They say they are not inspired, but that the Holy Spirit "guides" and "directs" them (without distinguishing how exactly this is different from inspiration). I personally think it's all a thinly-veiled attempt to trick people, and go as far as they can towards claiming divine inspiration without actually saying it - therefore freeing themselves of liability when things go wrong, as they so often do.
Cedars