by wasblind 59 Replies latest watchtower bible
WT didn't say that Jehovah would definitely end the system of things in 1975
They didn't say Simon says, they didn't say Simon says ... plus I think they had their fingers crossed ... DOESN'T COUNT BLA BLA BLA ... you can't hold them to what they say unless they finish their statement with ... "Cross my heart, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye."
thank you for puttin' up with me Quiet one :)
exactly waht don't think could prove them not to
be a false prophet ?
I keep comin' up wit' the org that speaks in Jehovah's name + the generation that was "ALIVE" in 1914 " WILL " see armeggedon =
false prophet
Wasblind - Just in case my rambling style has hidden my point.. The Deuteronomy scripture can only be applied to the WT if someone can prove, from the WT's own words, that they prophesied that Armageddon would come in 1975 etc in Jehovahs name. Did they say that ' Jehovah will bring about Armageddon in 1975 or any of the other dates' ? If not, the title of false prophet CANNOT be rightly applied. They stated that they were NOT saying Jehovah would bring about Armageddon in 1975. At worst they have been too enthusiastic with a Scriptural theory. They said something that Jehovah did not tell them, but they didn't say it was from Jehovah, did they? The WT have never claimed to be divinely inspired or infallible, or that the publications are. Being guided is different to being inerrant, as I have tried my best to illustrate.. Cedars - With respect, the word 'prophet' does not have to mean someone who makes a prediction of the future and claims that God gave it to them. A prophet can simply be a messenger of God. You're free to believe that the WT are deceptive, but please be careful that you are not (in your sincere enthusiasm), by starting these various campaigns of yours, causing damage and distress to peoples lives, by stirring up trouble for jw's via sensational articles based on your own viewpoint and not the WT's words alone. Otherwise, is your preaching your viewpoint (that could be wrong) on jw's and inciting emotional responses from people who may not have all the facts really any different than jw's spreading (what you view as) propaganda to people who don't know both sides of the story? I don't feel anymore that I could stir up anything against people that can't be undeniably proven to be part of something evil. Just a thought, I'm not attacking you. :)
Wasblind's latest post - To be clear, the generation has not passed away yet, the WT has changed their view to 'the generation' being an overlapping generation. The understanding of what Jesus meant by the term 'generation' has been updated/refined, but the generation, according to the new understanding, is still ALIVE. So your equation doesn't seem to apply, I'm sorry :)
Wannabefree - Quite frankly your last post seemed immature and childish. You can disagree with me, as Wasblind has respectfully and coherently, but to dismiss my views and expressions as BLA BLA BLA was uncalled for and rude. Ironically, it was your post that was BLA BLA BLA as it was the only one to add virtually nothing to an otherwise interesting discussion.
The Quiet One
I am truly sorry if I have upset you, and I apologise to you publicly
I respect you as a poster becuase that is what you have shown
through this whole post nothin' but respect and that is truly what you
deserve in return
You say I'm stirin' up trouble for the Jehovah's witness's based on my own views
and not the Jehovah's witnesses words, your right. These are the WTS words
striaght from brooklyn look them up for yourself, they keep y'all so busy you can't
read the jive they are askin' you to pander
And this organization say's it's the truth, then why do the things I point out in their
own literature cause them damage and distress ????
they wrote this stuff, my imagination ain't good enough to make up stuff like this
the WTS got Grimms fairytales beat
About the generation change, they changed it because what they predicted won't true, and I qoute the WTS
" Some who saw the events of 1914 WILL also see the complete destruction of the present wicked world."
that's from the reasoning book on page 200
we need the WT Wizard, but LWT's responses are always awesome.
Holy spirit wasn't with him [Moses] at that time because he took credit for Jehovahs act of bringing forth the water.
Wait... wasn't that the problem, dear TQO (peace to you!): that it was by means OF holy spirit that water even came forth... was able to be brought forth... yet, Moses took the credit as if he (and Aaron) had done something [themselves]? That they didn't give the credit/glory to GOD... who GAVE them the ability to bring water from a rock... by means of His holy spirit?
My understanding is that that is what took place. True, Moses was provoked into sinning in this way by the Israelites... and so they were even more to blame (Number 20:13; Psalms 106:32). Moses definitely had holy spirit, dear one... else he couldn't have "done" all the things "he" did.
Again, peace to you!
A slave of Christ,
SA
The Watchtower Corporation uses confusion as an additional tool to control people...
The more confusion - the better!
Confusion can be used to make doubters and questioners doubt their own mental acuity... Instead of questioning the Watchtower Corporation...
Zid
"The Deuteronomy scripture can only be applied to the WT if someone can prove, from the WT's own words, that they prophesied that Armageddon would come in 1975 etc in Jehovahs name. ..." the Quiet One
Ah, yes... According to the most rigid and limited interpretation of "false prophecy" - lying, in other words - Watchtower Corporation didn't SAY that "Jehovah" was going to bring about "Armageddon" in 1975...
But they clearly IMPLIED it - forcefully - over and over and over again...
Which demonstrates the clever, sneaky dishonesty of the Watchtower Corporation...
I wish I could find the post - can't recall the poster's name or the thread, right now - but a brilliant poster pointed out that "ambiguity" was a prime tool in the Watchtower's manipulation...
Since they ALWAYS avoid stating things DIRECTLY anymore [apparently they DID learn from that instance in which Rutherford made an ass out of himself...], they can IMPLY ANYTHING - and then gently nudge the followers to a 'correct' understanding of their ambiguity.
Very clever - and dishonest, under-handed, and sneaky....
If the Watchtower Corporation could be represented as a card shark playing poker at an old-time Western saloon, I can tell you that they'd drop with a bullet hole pretty damned quick, using tactics like that at the card table...
Or maybe end up owning the territory....
Either way, they're a bunch of low-down dirty double-dealing rattlesnakes - damn!
Didn't mean to insult rattlesnakes like that...
