I'm looking for a letter to the Judicial Committee

by tyydyy 17 Replies latest jw friends

  • tyydyy
    tyydyy

    My sister is having to deal with a JC and I saw a letter some time back threatening legal action and thought it might come in handy. Does anyone know where I can find a copy of that letter.

    My sister got a letter today from the local elders today. They gave the letter to my dad and asked him to give it to her. She read the letter to me and basically it said that there were some accusations that needed to be addressed. They wanted to meet with her tomorrow night after the meeting.

    I told her to call one of the elders and put me on 3-way. That was so cooooool! We woke him up at 11:00 PM. She told him that there was no way she could make the meeting tomorrow night since she lives 4 hrs away. She then asked if he could tell her the nature of the accusations. He said yes but that he would have to switch phones. (Can't talk elder talk on a cordless rule) He told her that someone had said that she was a dancer and someone else told them that she was living with a guy. Both are true, by the way. She then asked him to tell her who had brought forth these accusations and to our suprise the told her. Then she told him that when she met with them she would have me with her. He said: " Well I can't say that he can or cannot come." Hmmmmm Probably meant that I can be there as a character witness but then I would have to leave. He then asked why she wanted me to be there.

    I spoke up and said that I was involved because of the way they had handled the situation so far. In the past they would call her at 7:00 and leave a message telling her that they wanted to meet her at 7:30. I even called the elder myself and told him that he needed to give more notice. Anyway I also told him that someone on their body of elders had told my dad about the accusations several months ago. My dad is still very much a Dub.

    I asked him how long one had to be away from the meetings before they were no longer considered a JW. He said that I was getting into technicalities. I said it wasn't a technicality but that it very much applied in her case since she hasn't been to a meeting in over 2 yrs. She doesn't associate with other witnesses and she doesn't consider herself a JW. He then said that she should DA herself. I explained that DAing oneself is an even more important decision than getting babtized and that she doesn't want to do that right now. She does want to move on with her life right now though. He said that he would talk to the other elders and find the answer to that question. I asked him if he could schedule the phone call with the answer and we did.

    There was so much more. I don't have time right now for all the details and you guys are probably tired of reading right now but this was so much fun even though it's very important since we don't want our parents to have to shun us. If anyone can find that letter I would greatly appreciate it.

    TimB

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    Is this what you were looking for?

    To Whom It May Concern,

    I have decided that I will not formally disassociate myself from the P________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses or from Jehovah’s Witnesses in general. I came to this decision for several reasons.
    First, there is nothing I see in the Bible that calls for a formal letter of disassociation in my situation, or any other. It seems to me that the provision of formal disassociation is a matter of convenience for the legal department of the Watchtower Society rather than serving any real religious purpose. It allows people to be pigeon-holed into nice neat little categories rather than dealing with the real issues involved. Also, I have no problem with the P________ Congregation or its members. My disagreement is with certain actions, policies, teachings and writings contained in publications that are produced and in oral teachings promulgated either individually or collectively by the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and it’s legal corporations, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc. and the International Bible Students Association.

    The purpose of this letter is to clarify certain matters and to secure and protect what I consider basic human rights in dealing with agents of the multinational, multi-billion dollar Watchtower corporations.

    Since you have asked me to appear before a judicial committee to face charges of apostacy, there are a few things that I must ask for and which I feel must be clarified before I will even consider meeting with a judicial committee.

    1. I shall be notified in writing of the time, place and purpose of any meetings with a judicial committee.

    2. I shall be notified in writing of the exact purpose of the meetings.

    3. I shall be notified in writing exactly on whose behalf the judicial committee was convened and is acting: the P________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses or its legal corporation the P________ Company of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses or its legal corporations, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc., the International Bible Students Association or any other agency not here named.

    4. If any other agency other than the one for whom the judicial committee has informed me they are acting for is consulted, reported to, or allowed to have any bearing on the outcome of the judicial process, I will consider the judicial committee as acting in the their behalf.

    5. I shall be notified in writing as to my status as a member of any and all of the organizations for which the committee is acting or to which the committee will report.

    6. I insist that the judicial committee immediately cease, and in the future desist from any actions toward or against me in behalf of any corporation or organization of which I am not a member.

    7. I shall be notified in writing of any accusations against me, the names of persons making such accusations and the substance of any evidence against me.

    8. I shall be notified in writing of any and all of my rights and responsibilities involved in the judicial process.

    9. I shall be given sufficient time between notification of any meetings with a judicial committee and the time of the actual meeting to prepare a response to any accusations.

    10. I shall be allowed to have one person of my choice present during all meetings between me and the judicial committee as an observer. Since I think there is good reason to believe that the judicial committee may consult with one or more lawyers, specifically those employed by the Legal Department of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Incorporated, the person of my choice may also be a lawyer.

    11. During the meetings with the judicial committee I and/or my observer will be allowed to take whatever notes we feel are necessary.

    Additionally, if the judicial committee takes any judicial action against me :

    12. I will not recognize any action taken by the judicial committee as valid unless it is communicated to me in writing, stating the exact nature and reason for the action.

    13. In this written communication the judicial committee must state exactly on whose behalf they have taken the action, specifically the P________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses or its legal corporation the P________ Company of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses or its legal corporations, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc., the International Bible Students Association or any other agency not here named.

    14. If the judicial committee has stated that it is acting only for the P________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, it is enjoined from notifying any agency outside the congregation of their action. If the judicial committee or anyone acting in their behalf notifies of reports to anyone outside the P________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I may take any appropriate legal action.

    15. I may appeal any action taken by the judicial committee.

    16. Before I will meet with an appeal committee, that committee must notify me in writing of the names of all of the members of the appeal committee and who each one represents: the P________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses or its legal corporation the P________ Company of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses or it’s legal corporations, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc., the International Bible Students Association or any other agency not here named

    17. There shall be no contact between the judicial committee and the appeal committee other than to inform them of the time and place of my meetings with them. If I determine that there is any contact, communication or attempt on the part of any of the members of the original judicial committee or anyone acting on their behalf to, in any way prejudice or sway the appeal committee, I will insist that a new appeal committee be formed.

    18. I shall be notified in writing of any and all of my rights and responsibilities involved in the appeal process.

    19. I shall be allowed to have one person of my choice present during the all meetings between me and the appeal committee. Since I think there is good reason to believe that the appeal committee may consult with one or more lawyers, specifically those employed by the Legal Department of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Incorporated, the person of my choice may also be a lawyer.

    20. During the meetings with the appeal committee I and/or my observer will take whatever notes we feel are necessary.

    21. I will not recognize any action taken by the appeal committee as valid unless it is communicated to me in writing, stating the exact nature and reason for the action.

    22. In this written communication the appeal committee must state exactly on whose behalf they are taking the action, specifically the P________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses or its legal corporation the P________ Company of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses or its legal corporations, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc., the International Bible Students Association or any other agency not here named.

    23. If the appeal committee has stated that it is acting only for the P________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, it is enjoined from notifying any agency outside the congregation of their action. If the appeal committee or anyone acting in their behalf notifies or reports to anyone outside the P________ Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I may take any appropriate legal action.

    24. I understand that if I am disfellowshipped by the judicial committee and the disfellowshipping is upheld by the appeal committee that I am, at that point, no longer considered to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I also understand that it is
    necessary to make a brief announcement that I have been disfellowshipped. From then on, I will consider any attempt to convince by speeches, talks or teaching; to coerce by implied or actual threat of similar judicial action; or to encourage by private counsel or suggestion any of Jehovah’s Witnesses to treat me differently from any other person that is not one of Jehovah’s Witnesses to be a serious violation of my civil rights and I may initiate any legal action, civil or criminal that I deem appropriate. This includes any attempt to convince by speeches, talks or teaching; to coerce by implied or actual threat of similar judicial action; or to encourage by private counsel or suggestion any present Jehovah’s Witnesses to shun or avoid me, cease or otherwise modify their doing business with me, or terminate or otherwise abrogate any lease, rental, mortgage, or any other legal agreement that I may presently have with them. I may consider such to be an infringement of free trade and may initiate appropriate legal action.

    25. I consider any communication between the members of the judicial committee and myself and the appeal committee and myself to be ecclesiastically privileged. Any attempt to reveal the substance or tone of those communications to any other person or group will be considered by me to be a breach of that privilege and may result in legal action. This includes any announcements beyond the fact of my disfellowshipping, speeches, talks, or any other communication, written or oral, public or private.

    I fully realize that you may be unwilling or that the Watchtower corporations will not allow you to comply with the preceding.

    I respectfully await your written response.

  • tyydyy
    tyydyy

    That's it Prisca! Thank you so much. I could just kiss you!

    TimB

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    Ok, just a quick peck though. Don't wanna get on the wrong side of Xena!

  • tyydyy
    tyydyy

    I won't tell if you won't!

    TimB

  • tyydyy
    tyydyy

    Has anyone had any success using this letter? What has been the reaction? I'd like to know if this is something that just blows up in your face or not.

    Thanks

    TimB

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    If you send the letter, the elders might realize that the whole thing is not worth the time or the trouble. Your sister is basically a non-entity to them anyway due to her having no contact with Witnesses and not attending meetings for over two years.

    This is all a formality and whatever happens is of little consequence to your sister or the JWs. Just do whatever is less headaches.

    Path

  • tyydyy
    tyydyy

    Pathofhorns,
    Thank you....I'm not sure I understood you correctly but I don't really agree that it's of little consequence. My sister still has contact and a relationship with hey parents. If she were disfellowshipped that relationship would be over. I know because it happened with my brother.

    TimB

  • mustang
    mustang

    Another variation on the theme & some comments may be found in this
    link:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18983&site=3

    Mustang

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    My niece used it when the elders were trying to come to her home to talk to her. She mailed the letter, a month ago, and has had no more calls or visits. She showed it to an attorney first, and he reworded bits of it. But we think it worked. The attorney said it would hold up in court if they came to her house or called her again.

    Marilyn (aka Mulan)
    "No one can take advantage of you, without your permission." Ann Landers

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