How would you have explained this scripture as a JW or even as a Christian?

by StoneWall 20 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • man oh man
    man oh man

    Mathew Henry's Commentary says:

    IV. God graciously abated the rigour of the sentence, and repented of the evil he thought to do (Exod. 32:14); though he designed to punish them, yet he would not ruin them. See here, 1. The power of prayer; God suffers himself to be prevailed with by the humble believing importunity of intercessors. 2. The compassion of God towards poor sinners, and how ready he is to forgive. Thus he has given other proofs besides his own oath that he has no pleasure in the death of those that die; for he not only pardons upon the repentance of sinners, but spares and reprieves upon the intercession of others for them.

    firstcenturychristian.com says:

    The answer to your question is found in the context of this scripture. While Moses was on Mt. Sinai, receiving the Ten Commandments the Hebrew people corrupted themselves by making and worshiping a golden calf. They attributed to the calf their deliverance from Egypt (32:6-8). This sacrilege incensed God and he said to Moses l, "That my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them..." (32:10). Moses pleaded with God begging that He would "turn from (his) fierce wrath and repent of this evil against (his) people" (32:12).God heard and accepted Moses intercessory petition and "repented of the evil which he said he would do unto his people." (32:14). The "evil" was his intention to utterly destroy the whole nation and start over again with Moses (32:10, 14). This was not a matter of moral evil, but an act of judgement which would impose harsh consequences on the people. Webster lists this as one of the definitions of "evil" "something that brings sorrow, distress or calamity."

    Insight Volume says same thing.

  • StoneWall
    StoneWall

    I really appreciate the responses to this verse and would like to say thanks yet I really feel most misunderstood what I was asking and the point I'm making.

    Sure in this verse it could be argued that God changed his/her mind about destroying the Israelites on this occasion and in light of how it's worded that would be a valid concern.

    But what I was really after is why did so many translations in this verse use the word "evil" in reference to what God was going to do, instead of other words like calamity,destruction etc.?

    In other words as JW's we were taught that God=good and Satan=Evil. That this was all revolving around a battle between Good versus Evil.

    Battle between the forces of Light versus the forces of darkness so to speak.

    So if God doesn't do evil things, what prompted the word evil to be inserted in so many translations in this case?

    Also if you go up a few preceding verses and read them, it seems Jehovah has reached a judgement(decision) as regards these unfaithful Israelites and yet Moses was able to get God to change his mind on his judgement call. What the heck is that about?

    So Jehovah can reach a decision/judgement on his people, and HE is suppose to be perfect in all his ways and yet a mere imperfect mortal can cause him to change his "perfect" judgement. Something doesn't add up.

  • tec
    tec

    Something doesn't add up
    .

    That would probably be man's (mis) understandings of God, or the scribes errors.

    Peace,

    Tammy

  • man oh man
    man oh man

    Be careful not to stumble due to "black and white" fallacy. Why can't almighty God change his mind? What does perfection have to do with it? He wasn't setting out to destroy the people completey so it wasn't a judgement that they were wicked.......just bad.

    Maybe Evil is a bad translation as it has the wrong connotation to most of us. But it does cause us to dig deeper to learn. If mere mortals could not cause God to change his mind on anything then what good would prayer do? Ask an ye shall recieve.

    This is why it is good to use many translations when searching for an answer?

    I'm no expert just trying to give the bible a chance.

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    Why does MAN have to glom on to the worst interpretation?

    Can it mean "the law" is done for

    comfort. (from) Yahweh. over (according to). adversity (from the nations, perhaps?). which (because). speaking (boasting). (is being) accomplished. (here we will assume is is "against" because of adversity). my people.

    In English; Because words will accomplish adversity against my people Israel, I will use words to comfort them AND prevent the wicked words against the faith of my servant to see accomplishment.

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    I think it's Yhwh reasoning with Moses, not Moses reasoning with Yhwh. And because there isn't a way to be 100% sure, then why paint "Jehovah" a bully?

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I notice that rather reading the text plainly, God is always given bonus points. No matter what atrocities God commits, slaughter of neighboring tribes, wiping out Job's family and then replacing them with new people, invited raped, there is always justification. These intecessors shows that humans can be more moral than God. Also, God improves with time so why blame an evolving God. The people who were the victims of mayhem were actual humans who deserved better. The surrounding tribes were humans, too. Israel's War God raises serious questions. What did Egyptians first born sons do to deserve slaughter. His actions are often horrific.

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    Egyptians worshipped death AND ascribed godness to humans.

    Their main industry was DEATH.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I don't think any Egyptian scholar would sum up their religion in that manner. God created Egyptians, too. World events read through a fundamentalist take on the Hebrew Scriptures are not valid.

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    They didn't spend their time getting their god-kings ready for the afterworld? Um, I guess I don't know what the hell I'm taking about. Seems to me that pyramids are built for dead people, but actually they weren't dead yet so ya, nevermind...

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