by Beans 18 Replies latest jw friends
I often wonder if JW`s on these sites consider them "APOSTATE" especially with regards to many topics? Do you ignore topics that could possibly test your faith? How do you not wonder about your religion with all the information that is available to you now that proves this sekt invalid? Do you now wonder? Do you research for truth? What will you do when you find it?
Check out www.Quotes.JehovahsWitnesses.com
Beans
Beans,
I study, so I'm not firm in the faith yet. But I believe. The bible speaks of false prophets carrying you off as prey and christianity splitting off into sects. So, sometimes I question, but I always feel that in the end, Jehovah, is right, the bible is right, humans make mistakes, as long as they're willing to ackowledge them and not cover them over. The WT at least do this.
So I've searched for 8 years and I keep coming back to the same answer: Jehovah's Witnesses. So I'll never put my faith in man. I believe that the whole pedophile issue in all churches is coming out for a reason. There is so much corruption in religion, and in society, abuse of children, any type, is abhorred. So, maybe this is when the earth as a whole turns on religion.
I can't help the way I feel, I feel so strongly, and I won't ignore my gut instincts. I've done that in the past and failed. Nearly destroyed myself for not listening to my feelings. I don't wanna do that again.
That's just me.
I've got lots of luv to give, but no one wants it! - Mona.
Violet Quoted
[I study, so I'm not firm in the faith yet. But I believe. The bible speaks of false prophets carrying you off as prey and christianity splitting off into sects. So, sometimes I question, but I always feel that in the end, Jehovah, is right, the bible is right, humans make mistakes, as long as they're willing to ackowledge them and not cover them over. The WT at least do this. ]
I don't want to flame you here and I apologize in advance if you take offense but the WT since it's inception has made so many mistakes and false predictions to the detriment of it's membership that the GB should have the distinct taste in their mouth of shoe leather. To the critical eye, the WT is as guilty and complicit in false doctrines,class distinctions, and government duplicity as any other religious organization they're compared to and not once have they ever acknowledged that they've made a mistake. Those who try holding the WT's feet to the fire are quickly accused of running ahead of the organization, apostasy, and are quickly DF'd to protect the supposedly "spiritual health" of the organization. In every case I've come across, WT mistakes are explained away as "new light", of no great concern, an unwillingness of the member to wait on Jehovah, or the blame is place upon the r\f for misunderstanding the "fine spiritual food from the slave class." I don't understnad how it could be misunderstood when all the questions and readings are leading in nature culminating to the exact conclusions the WT want you to believe.
Dear Violet:
You speak of false prophets,I think you should take a look at the site I posted and check out how many times the JW`s have said definatly when the world would come to an end,is that not a false prophecy?
Beans
Well no Beans, I don't think it is. The WT have repeatedly said that they make mistakes, and are willing to acknowledge and rectify that fact. They don't cover up mistakes, I've read of many a 'guru' who preach 'holier than thou' and 'divine inspiration' but they don't believe it themselves or that they are that psychotic, they don't realize they've made a mistake, and then it's too late.
I admire someone who is willing to admit they were wrong. Takes great courage, especially if the whole world is watching every move they make and just waiting for them to screw up. Shows humility.
What do you think?
I've got lots of luv to give, but no one wants it! - Mona.
Dear Violet:
Sure admitting your wrong in any situation takes great self esteme!
But admitting your wrong does not change the fact that it is a false prophecy! "Yes it was a false prophecy" just as stated in the bible!
I know from my experience that you will not be able to or let yourself see things from the other side you are in to strong!
Good Luck
Beans
Thanx Beans. But I'm fine for now. No luck needed here. I think I'm lucky to be associated with some of the kindest people in the world. No rephrase that: I'm lucky to be associated with some of the kindest people in the world as long as I am part of their organisation and am following the rules completely and whole-soully. Um....maybe I do need some of that luck. You wouldn't happen to be irish would you Beans?
Like I've said previously, the bible doesn't lie, God's word is infallible, it's people who make mistakes. So, I try not to get too involved with too many witnesses. They have hurt me in the past, but there are monsters in the world far worse. Ok, some monsters lurk in the literature cupboard, I can now smell them a mile away, thank to Safe4Kids.net.
I believe in what they teach, not how each represents himself/herself. Too many chameleons. I was one myself as a teen. The old double-personality story. Too bad that it was brought on by one of our dear brothers. Jah didn't do it, the congregation didn't do it, HE did it. HE alone. If your blood brother murdered someone, would everyone condemn the whole family and persecute them for the actions of this one individual or would they realize that he had no self-control and his actions do not speak for the whole family.
Do that just make sense. I get befuddled sometimes and my thoughts blend together. I'm not a very good at making my point clear. tbc
I've got lots of luv to give, but no one wants it! - Mona.
VioletAnai
To admit when we have been wrong is indeed a fine thing. I admit that I was wrong...when I used to drag my children out of bed on a Saturday morning and force them into their witnessing clothes and then drag them from door to door in all kinds of weather..I was wrong. When I used to smirk at disfellowshipped ones who would pass me in the street...the adulterers...or the smokers...or the fornicators...I was wrong. When I used to judge my 'worldly' workmates for their language and cursing...or for their indulgence in alcohol or after work social sessions...I was wrong. When I used to chastise my children for humming christmas songs or for singing happy birthday...I was wrong. I could go on and on...but the point is...when the borg admits that they have been wrong...it is sometimes too late. For example...I have an 80 year old grandmother who was taught that she would never grow old and die...and NOW the borg has changed their views on the generation that saw 1914. And what about the blood issue...how many children and good decent people died because they refused to compromise their faith...and how many were disfellowshipped because they were weak and allowed their child to have a blood transfusion? I understand the borg has changed their views here also.
I can however understand your loyalty...I had it too at one time....but guess what??? I was wrong! You are right that JW are kind people....BUT....there are some kind people in all walks of life...and JW are usually only kind to their own...or to bible students like yourself. Believe me...I know only too well. I used to always do things or give to bible students....it was highly recommended...it was a form of 'witnessing' to them. Once that bible student failed to attend meetings or stopped studying...so did the kindness.
On the other hand...I have met genuinely kind people who have never been JW's...and who have no inclination towards the 'truth'...but they exercise loving kindness in a sincere way.
Regards
Beck
LOLOLOL.
Violet:
Please provide examples of where the WT admits to specific mistakes.
Statements such as "Jehovah's organisation consists of imperfect men", or "at times some have run ahead of Jehovah" or "we have readjusted our thinking because the light gets brighter" are not examples of specific mistakes.
Try and look for a statement along the lines of "the Governing Body said xyz and we were wrong."
Good luck.
Expatbrit
Yes I agree Beck. They are fond of their own. It's like the scripture where Jesus said "If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of you, but because you are no part of the world, the world hates you" They should replace 'world' with 'watchtower'. I guess they don't want to corrupt their ranks any further than they already are.
Expat: Ok, so I haven't heard the gb admit they're wrong, they get the elders to do it, cause they're faceless. (and gutless). I guess this allows for them to brazenly predict this and that and have the elders preach it from the podium, so that if it turns out wrong, the blame doesn't fall on them. Elders are the scapegoats and they are rogues teaching their own doctrine if something turns out misrepresented. So, I renege my statement in part: The gb won't admit, but any ordinary witness will happily tell you how often mistakes have been made and how quickly it has been rectified. Oh dear, I'm starting to convince myself of their evils. Is that THIS BOARD'S influence!!!!!!!!
I've got lots of luv to give, but no one wants it! - Mona.
