Continuing (for dear EP)...

by AGuest 28 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Peace to you...

    A summary of the change in rules:

    NVL - "You're crazy."

    SA - "Actually, I'm not."

    NVL - "I think you are but, okay, if your Lord is speaking to you tell him to tell you something about me that no one else could know..."

    SA - "No, let's leave off this kind of talk."

    NVL - "No, no, I insist; what does he know?"

    SA - "Nothing. No one knows anything."

    NVL - Yeah, right. He's knows nothing because he IS nothing. He doesn't exist."

    SA - "Actually, he does. He just isn't going to waste time on you."

    NVL - "On ME? What, am I not WORTHY of him?? Who the heck does he think HE is? You know WHAT he is? He's a this and a that... and a this and a that..."

    SA - "How can he "be" a this and a that if he doesn't exist?"

    NVL - "He DOESN'T exist, but still... he's a this and a that..."

    SA - "Please... stop this. There's no benefit in it."

    NVL - "There's benefit to ME; I think he's a this and a that. But, okay, let's try this: tell him to 'reveal' something about me, if he's so much."

    SA - "No."

    NVL - "Because you're a liar... and so is he. And you're crazy."

    SA - "Okay."

    NVL - "Crazy, crazy, crazy. And he's a liar, liar, liar."

    SA - "I'm not crazy... and he doesn't lie."

    NVL - "Sure you are... and sure he is, else he would 'reveal' something about me... something that no one could know."

    SA - "No. You don't want to know and neither do I."

    NVL - "Sure I do. I can take it. Tell him to 'reveal' away!"

    SA - "Sigh. Dang. Okay. He said that you... and as a result you..."

    NVL - "Really. Interesting. Well, while what you say may have occurred, it didn't because of... so, it's not true."

    SA - "Yes, it is... and you yourself will prove it is."

    NVL - "Well, okay, maybe it is. But that's not enough for me. Ask him what color is my shirt."

    SA - "No, I'm not going to ask him that. You received what you asked for... even if you don't like it."

    NVL - "I didn't like it, you're right. So now I want something else. If he is who and what he says he is, it should be easy enough for him to tell me the color of my shirt."

    SA - "Well, you're not going to get that. YOU asked... you received. That you didn't like what you got is irrelevant. If you're not careful, you might get something else, though... something you REALLY "want"... or think you do. So, please, take care what you ask for."

    NVL - "Oh, so now you're threatening me?"

    SA - "Absolutely not! I am only stating the truth to you!"

    NVL - "The truth, schmooth! I'm asking for something else now, something he should be able to answer. It's easy enough. If he is 'all that', he should have no problem answering. He/you won't answer because he/you can't."

    SA - "No, both he and I won't answer... because we won't. It's a game neither he nor I will play. Take that or leave it. No matter to me."

    NVL - "I'm going to leave it because I don't believe you. Not saying you're crazy anymore, but not sure you're not. I think you're nice, though, so I'm going to go bug other people now."

    SA - "Thank you! Please, do."

    Couple months later...

    EP - "Hey, remember me?"

    SA - "Of course, I do. How the heck are you?"

    EP - "I'm doing great! Did some "things" and so got myself kicked off the board for a bit. Took a look at myself, made some changes, and now I'm back as a new/changed man!"

    SA - "Good for you, truly!"

    EP - "You know, I never really had anything against you."

    SA - "Nor I, you."

    EP - "So, we're cool."

    SA - "Well, okay, then!"

    A bit later... after he observes some other kids "throwing rocks"...

    EP - "Hey, yeah, about that 'thing'..."

    SA - "Oh, let's not go there, again, okay? You didn't take it well the first time. What, then, would be the benefit of doing it, again?"

    EP - "Maybe none, but I've nothing better to do. Besides, I have a different audience, now."

    SA - "You don't need an audience. Just put faith in what was said."

    EP - "Well, see, I've made some changes, yes [notice the name change]; but not like you think."

    SA - "Oh, too bad."

    EP - "Whaddya mean by that?"

    SA - "Nothing, really. Truly."

    EP - "Anyway, you said your Lord said two things about me that were entirely wrong."

    SA - "No, you might not want to admit NOW that they were right, but they were. You knew it then... and you know it, now."

    EP - "Well, we can put it all to rest if your Lord would just tell me what color shirt I'm wearing. I'm still waiting for that."

    SA - "Seriously? That again? Same answer, dear one: no."

    EP - "And same position - you/he can't."

    SA - "Whatever."

    EP - "No, no 'whatever'. What color is my shirt?"

    SA - "I don't know... and don't care. Nor does he. Besides, he said you would just lie about it anyway."

    EP - "Lie? I can get someone to verify so that I can't lie."

    SA - "Regardless, not gonna happen."

    EP - "Why not? Why can't he just tell me?"

    SA - "Because he's not interested."

    EP - "Well, he's gonna. I'm not gonna let up on this. Because now he's calling me a liar."

    SA - "Okay. Do what you need to do."

    EP - "No, you don't get off that easy; either you apologize, or he apologize."

    SA - "I have nothing to apologize for; I shared what I heard with you. I can't apologize for him. You'll have to wait for him to respond for himself. Which I have no doubt he will do. Not in the way you think, perhaps, though. As I tried to tell you before, be careful what you ask for."

    PG - "OH! She's threatened him with death!!!!"

    SA - (Rolls eyes)

    TC - "No, she didn't threaten anyone with death. She said that people should take care what they ask for because sometimes they get what they are REALLY wishing for... which, sometimes, is death."

    EP - "No, no, first she called me an... then a liar... and now she's threatened me with death."

    SA - (Thinking... "seriously, folks? The record is THERE! Go back and REVIEW it!" Then remembers that people see what they want to see... and don't see what they don't want to... especially when reading... which is how entities like the WTBTS gets ITS hold on folks... and had its hold on folks... including herself and most here...)

    Moving on...

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • cofty
    cofty

    Moving on...

    Obviously not moving on at all

  • N.drew
    N.drew
    Obviously not moving on at all

    Oh stop grouchy. I wanted to know the behind the scenes goings on. And there you have it. It makes a good dialogue I think.

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    Shelby, despite this long interpretation, re-imagination of conversations, making up some conversation out of thin air to suit your purpose (honesty, Shel, it works, you are slipping on it a LOT lately) paraphrasing and highlighting to your satisfaction of events,the facts remain:

    You, on behalf of your LORD called me an acoholic. You have since doubled down on that assertion.

    You, on behalf of your LORD, has said that if I keep pushing on this then i would get more than I asked for, possibly even death.

    You, on behalf of your LORD, has said that I would lie to prove him wrong.

    You, on behalf of your LORD, said he would not prove that he had inside knowledge about me because I would like. When that obstacle was removed, your LORD simply decided he didn't want to. It's rather trivial to setup a fool proof test where multiple witnesses, as many as care to watch, can see in real time the results. Yet, your LORD declines still.

    You may disagree, and obviously do, but the fact ALSO remains that you have tied yourself to your LORD, speaking on his behalf. You are in for a penny, in for a pound. He is in the hotseat with me same as you.

    Let me make it crystal clear, this issue will NOT go away until either your LORD proves to the forum that he has inside knowledge about me via my challenge or there is an apology and retraction.

    Calling someone an acoholic and a future liar about a specific event seems to violate posting rules about defaming others. I will happily settle for one of the following:

    - You and your LORD apologize and retract

    - He steps up the challenge. If he wins, your LORD is proven right. If he loses, you both apoligize and retract.

    As I have said before, I like you. I really do. I will stand up for you and your rights to believe as you will and talk about it. However, this particular instance has crossed a line. This will NOT go away until it is resolved.

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    I wanted to know the behind the scenes goings on.

    There are no behind the scenes going on. Every conversation has been in public. The ones you don't recognize as being from the forum are made up interpretations of what Shelby is thinking my motivations are.

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    To be clear, the made up portions of this that Shelby is dishonestly attributing to me are her ideas of what she thinks my motivations and thoughts are. None of that was ever said and none of it was grounded in reality in any way.

    Despite the facts that she claims honesty through her LORD and wrote that lengthy post about it, she is being incredibly dishonest right now and an outright liar by making it seems as if I said any large portions of that "conversation" she wrote above that go to my motivations and decisions.

    **EDITED to be more clear with the orginal portions left in for honesty**

  • bohm
    bohm

    Why dont i get to say anything

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    Speak as you like, bohm. I welcome your comments :)

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    It is stunning to realize that someone evidently read through the threads, perhaps invented some contented, and posted it on this thread. So sad. I have no knowledge whether EP is an alcoholic deserving to be smitten by God. It is not my business. If I were an active Witness, pondering whether to leave, reading junk like this would send me leaping back into the KH.

    No great points are discussed. This is personal argument exclusively. It pollutes the forum. Honestly, if I were accused of what was once considered bad behavior, I would be offended. If God would slay ever person who annoyed someone, no one would be left anyplace.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Funny stuff..

    You have since doubled down on that assertion.....EP

    ........................ OUTLAW

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