How come "Johhny the Bethelite" has not been exposed?

by hotspur 157 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • cedars
    cedars

    hotspur - you don't have anything to apologise for. I commend the motives of those who have cried foul over the "cyber-bullying" thing, but I think they are mistaken. This is supposed to be a forum of like-minded individuals, and we should be able to iron out our differences through discussion, so long as no elements of the discussion are abusive or hateful.

    From what I can see, Rick has politely been given the opportunity to come clean about the whole debacle, but has exacerbated the situation by joking around (i.e. the "I'm off to the bank" comment), minimizing the trauma of disfellowshipping, and encouraging more people to visit his website. That does not strike me as the reaction of someone who is sincerely interested in people's opinions or clearing his reputation.

    I was more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and let him off the hook if he came clean. However, his evasive and belligerent attitude only serves to reinforce what his critics are saying about him. It's a real shame that he can't dignify this forum with an honest response to the questions posed of him, and use the opportunity to clear his name. I for one was (and still in many ways am) ready to sweep it all under the carpet, but I'm baffled at his reaction.

    In short, I sympathise with those who raised the "cyber-bullying" issue, but I don't think that argument applies in this case. If it did, I'm sure the mods would have intervened over a breach of the posting guidelines. That's just my opinion.

    Cedars

  • Iamallcool
    Iamallcool

    kool aid man, come on man, sometime down the road, if you keep going on with your nonsense, I would not be surprised at all if Simon would not let you post here ANYMORE. Do you want that? It is way better to come clean. You are not listening to us, we are trying to help you to wake up. Come on, man!

  • transhuman68
  • cedars
    cedars

    One final word on the cyber-bullying claim.

    I am completely against going on a "witch hunt" as much as anyone. However, as I've indicated above, I don't think that's what we're seeing on this occasion. We need to remember that many of us have spent decades trapped in a cult and being lied to. It doesn't sit well with former cult victims to escape and still be lied to by those who claim to be fighting for the same cause.

    I'm not saying that Rick is lying, although the evidence certainly seems to point in that direction. I'm simply saying that some perspective is called for when reviewing the behaviour of those who are calling for Rick to come clean.

    Cedars

  • Juan Viejo2
    Juan Viejo2

    Rick Fearon - HELLO!!! Are you there? If so, take a moment and please consider what I have to say.

    You know that I have supported you many times in the past. I've participated on your conference call a couple of times. I've enjoyed listening to some of your guests like Barbara Anderson, Cochise Pendleton and others. Sometimes your call-in programs are quite interesting. I'd hate for you to lose all your credibility and your audience because of journalistic ineptitude.

    Rick, I have asked you, as have many others, to please explain exactly how you vetted JTB. I am asking you again to clearly tell us how you managed to be so convinced that Johnny is legitimate. At one time you were going to meet him near the Brooklyn Bethel, interview him and check his bona fides. But I've searched this site and Six Screens and I can not find a single article or post where you have explained how you managed that. Did that ever really happen?

    While the rest of us scratch our heads trying to figure out how JTB can pull off his little anti-JW scam while being a member of the Watchtower's IT team and do it from his room or a Bethel closet using toss-away or flat-fee cell phones (which are not that cheap) - you continue to treat him as if he is totally credible and thus an expert on all things Bethel.

    It's not working, Rick. If you think you are not getting a fair shake here on JWN, then I invite you to PM me or email me at editor@ex-jw.com and let me help you tell your story. I think we'd all love to know that there really is a mole at WT HQ that is willing to share insider information and nasty Governing Body secrets. But we also need to be assured that "mole" is not a fake, a flake, or a double-agent trying to get our confidence and then lead us down a path to destruction by feeding us damaged or notoriously false information.

    I've been contacted by many persons who have claimed to be JWs or ex-JWs who want to share information with me to "expose the Watchtower." 80% of what I get is simply BS - or someone pushing their own religious quackery - or trying to get me to expose myself to a charge of libel by trying to get me to publish accusations against local elders or specific traveling overseers. On the other hand, as in the case of the Menlo Park Kingdom Hall, I sometimes get proof that is credible and can be verified by talking to people on the phone or in person. Or, as in the case of "Shadow Elder" and his son, I have actually called his Kingdom Hall and verified his existence, his position, and his name and can therefore publish his story with confidence.

    Likewise those who publish articles on my websites are personally known to me, have a known reputation on this and other websites, or have confirmed their identities to me to my satisfaction. I won't disclose their identities and won't retain anything that could harm them on my computers, but I feel comfortable presenting their stories on my websites.

    So think about it, Rick. Send me a PM or an email and let's discuss how I can help you confirm that Johnny the Bethelite is exactly who he claims to be. If you are willing to give him his own call-in show or let him monopolize hours on your regular show, then I think you should also be willing to take steps to confirm his actual existence to someone else who has established a level of credibility among former JWs. I offer myself to fill that role, but if my reputation isn't strong enough, then consider Paul Grundy or Randy Watters or ???

    JV

  • hotspur
    hotspur

    Grrr! Still no PM!

    Come on Rick ... Fake or Real? How difficult can that be?

  • cedars
    cedars

    Rick, you're had an olive branch from all of us, and an open invitation to either PM hotspur, or PM or email Juan Viejo2 and sort this mess out.

    The runway lights are on and ready to guide you in. Your Johnny hoax has been in the air long enough and now has permission to land...

    permission to land

    (I know OUTLAW does these things better, but until he wakes up it looks like I'm all you've got!)

    Cedars

  • sizemik
    sizemik

    Heeeeeere commmmmmes JOHNNY!!

  • elderelite
    elderelite

    Lol wow! So anyone who dosent agree or buy into this fictious nonsense is an agent of the wt????

    Ok ocho and shamus, where is the cry of cyber bullying leveld at rick? All i or anyone else wants is proof of ricks journalistic diligence. He has acussed us of being wt represenatives sent to discredit him by asking for proof. Really...??? And thats not cuber bullying?

    Apply the same standard to rick. And i noticed that neither ocho ormshamus actually said they believed in johnny. Just that they didnt allreciate the way it way it was being handled.

  • Witness My Fury
    Witness My Fury

    OK I bit the bullet and went to sick screens and downloaded 1-7-12 jehovahs Underground show with JTB..

    I couldnt stomach listening beyond 10 minutes but here are my observations:

    I dont think JTB is using a voice manipulator. I also dont think Rick is playing the part of JTB, it is another person.

    He "sounds" genuine, but says nothing of substance, it's all filler. "Things are happening" but no specifics at all. Why risk exposure and discovery unless you have something concrete and substantial to say? It makes no sense. Lay low and wait would be the wise course rather than self promotion by JTB.

    Obviously I should have listened to more to make a better judgement, but the style grates on me real bad so I'd rather not thanks.

    I still think this is a ploy despite JTB protesting innocence btw.

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