Seeker, u do understand that according to romans, the wages of sin is death.
How were sinfull noah and his family any more worthy of deliverance that their next door neighbor? They were all sinners
Applying Math, Physics, Archeology to THE STORY OF NOAH
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tec
How were sinfull noah and his family any more worthy of deliverance that their next door neighbor?
Well, worthy is probably the wrong word.
But the account says that Noah walked with God. So faith, perhaps?
Peace,
Tammy
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N.drew
@When the fallen angels materialized, they took on flesh, but it did not come under the covenant because it was not of the Adamic line of descent. This was an automatic death sentence for the children of the angelic fathers and mothers.
God would have had to provide the wicked angels with bodies and reproductive capacity. You believe the head of Christ is God? The head of the angels therefore is God too. Of course. Why did God provide the angels the means to impregnate the women? Is God evil?
The account was about the women being overcome by the angels to do their will, instead of God's will. To influence people is always in their capacity as creatures with will. And the women also had will, but it was ruined by the angels. They had offspring. Yes, have you never heard of breeding? DNA? The angels could choose the mates that would produce what they wanted. People do it with dogs and horses. There is not enough evidence that they materialzed bodies and actually bred with the humans. And believing so tends to persuade me you don't know The Holy One.
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Yan Bibiyan
I think Noah'sfamily was saved on account of his faithfulness.
tec,
Appears that they've had an unfair advantage. God personally told Noah what to do, Noah had better believed it.
There is a big difference in God whispering something in your ear and someone else whispering in your ear what God whispererd to them...
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Quendi
I am coming very late to this discussion and haven't read all nineteen pages in this thread. However, I must say that since Terry's initial figures on the radius of the Earth, its surface area as well as its volume are all incorrect, there is no reason for me to listen to any of his other arguments against the possibility of a global flood. I believe the Noachian flood was confined to southwest Asia, but I'm not going to enter a discussion about that point. Getting back to what Terry has stated, if he can't even get the basic figures right, there is no reason for me to support his thesis. The old Latinism applies here: "Falsum in uno, falsum in toto."
Quendi
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cantleave
But the account says that Noah walked with God. So faith, perhaps?
So Noah was saved because of FAITH? Where did he get this faith from? There was no holy book to disseminate it! Maybe from Enoch? So the poor people who didn't know Enoch, were at a disadvantage.
A bit like the majority of the world's population taday, who don't live in a Christian Culture.
Any why the hell did the animals suffer? Was it because they had no faith?
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truthseeker
thetrueone,
I watched your video. It is humorous, and although limited in scope I do not have a problem with the information presented. I have never been dogmatic on my views concerning the year the flood happened. The Society says the flood happened in 2370 BC, others suggest 2348 BC which is what the video states.
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elderelite
Tammy, i respect you and your faith very much. Even when defending your beliefs you are reasonable and respectful and i wouldnt want to take that away.
But jesus said they took no note. They were eating and drinking etc etc. the ark was only big enough for them. It wasnt a large open provision. These things dont add up.... Also why a flood? There are so many holes in this.... It just dosent add ip and all faith ever dictated was "acceptance" not reason. Likethe boreians i am simply trying to make it all add up and i just cant...
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frankiespeakin
I think the whole story is story about a flood because these people experienced floods every so often. They associate in their minds as floods being some form of the wrath of god for misdeeds of men. Perhaps their violent ways were not in the Tao and so a flood story is expressing this idea? Just a thought. Anyway I think it wise not to take such stories as true but search for a deeper meaning. One that goes along with the evolution in the psyche of man and his world of words and symbols.
Treat the story as an ancient document that give us a glimps into the ancient mind of man and not as an article of faith. Your bound to get more from it that way.
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truthseeker
Was it enough for Noah to have faith alone? No. If Noah had failed to follow God's instruction to build the Ark he would have died along with the others because he would not have shown works with his faith in deliverance. God asked Noah to build the ark because He wanted Noah and his family to show willingness to work towards their own salvation. It was the same in Egypt when God used Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt and across the wilderness into the Promised Land.