Ancient people also necessarily lived near water, lakes, rivers, oceans. Floods, tsunamis, etc., had to be hard of their experience. People that live near volcanos also have thunder and lightning gods. No surpise there.
Applying Math, Physics, Archeology to THE STORY OF NOAH
by Terry 464 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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truthseeker
The Ark was the provision by which survivors of the great flood were guaranteed a seat on that vessel if they would only climb aboard. It was not large enough to save everyone because God knew that only eight would survive, but it was large enough to have saved more people that it did.
The book of Enoch contains more information about the fallen angels and the Nephilim. This book was left out of the Bible because scholars doubted its authenticity.
So why bring a global flood? Such an extreme reaction was justified because of the condition of the people.
Violence flourished and the Nephilim were more interested in being famous than in being peaceful.
In today’s society, we still do much of what was done in the pre-flood world - the building of cities, development of musical instruments, the forging of iron and bronze for the purpose of making tools and ornaments. These activities had their start long before God ended that ancient world.
The human population were in awe of the angels that materialized in front of them and considered them Gods. They built the cities of the day with the help of humans. When people started to spread out on the earth, the angels taught them how to live in communes. While the Nephilim were violent and agressive, the fallen angels mostly took on the role of guides and teachers for they already knew the makeup of creation. Prior to the global deluge, the earth was just as enterprising as it is today.
The fallen angels that came to Earth tried to alter God's plan. They hoped God would forgive and accept the path they took. They wanted nothing more than to remain in human form and continue living on Earth. They intermingled with humans forming cult worship. In God's eyes this was unforgivable - those on the fringe were offered salvation in Noah's ark and God would direct them to Noah, but if they did not accept the offer to be saved out of a dying world, they would perish at the flood.
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thetrueone
I think the whole story is story out a flood because these people experienced floods every so often. They associate in their minds as floods being the wrath of god for misdeeds.
Correct thinking Frankiespeaken, just as earthquakes, lightening, thunder were perceived to come from gods from various
cultures around the world, devastating floods were also perceived to come from gods as acts of vengeance and anger.
The fact that there is evidence that civilizations carried on right through the supposed time of the flood, brings credence that the
the story of the flood was just a story. The reason and purpose of the story was to accomplish a sense of relevance to the god
these people were selectively worshiping.
One thing that religionists never acknowledge in acceptance is mankind's history of ignorance about the world they were living in.
Which says quite a lot about their own intellectual honesty when you think about it.
Gods played a much needed role for the ancients because they gave understanding and reason for things which there was no knowledge of.
The Sun being the mostly chosen object that was deemed a god. The moon being the newly born son of god .
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thetrueone
There are flood myths from many different cultures. A common theme in the stories is the idea of punishing mankind for his sins while saving just enough people to start a better race.
China
We can see those elements in the Chinese myth where Gong Gong, so ordered by the head of the gods, created a flood as a punishment for human misbehavior. It lasted 22 years, until the hero started to dam the waters. The hero was killed for this act, but from his corpse sprang a son who finished his father's project.Rome
The Greco-Roman story, recounted by Ovid, is another tale of collusion among the gods to punish evil humanity. Jupiter persuaded Neptune to flood all the earth except for the summit of Mt. Parnassus. There Deucalion and Pyrrha arrived by boat. The childless couple repopulated the earth by throwing their "mother's bones" (stones from "mother" earth) behind them. The stones became people.Babylon
A Babylonian story with modern theme tells of the attempts by the gods to limit human population. Their third attempt was a flood, against which one of the gods (Enki, who sided with mankind more than the others), told Atrahasis to build an ark and load it with his family and animals.When the flood ended, Enki made some women barren and created stillbirths to prevent further overpopulation problems.
Similar stories come from all over the world, leading many to conclude that there must have been an actual catastrophic flood. (www.calvin.edu/archive/asa/199604/0276.html) Geologic evidence points to the fact that the Mediterranean basin, once dry, underwent a major upheaval and flooding. Maybe it didn't last the 22 years of the Chinese version; maybe it didn't even last the 40 days of the Genesis version, although that would certainly be possible; maybe it only lasted the seven days of the Epic of Gilgamesh, but I'm sure, if it's anything like what we're going through now, it felt like an eternity without sunshine.
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truthseeker
The fallen angels that came to Earth looked upon mankind and became interested in materializing to see what it was like to become human. They materialized as both men and women and became inflamed with lust for each other and humans because with the act of anything comes a pattern that is ingrained in the mind. They could not ignore the feeling of sex because they had already cultivated a desire for it within, just as Satan cultivated pride.
Peter describes what happened to them: "In that state He also went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah while an ark was being prepared; in it, a few that is, eight people were saved through water.”The fallen angels crossbred two different kinds of flesh, human and spiritual, the result being the Nephilim. The fallen angels that had God's spirit were mild tempered but mankind were degraded and violent.
Something else to consider is the birth of Jesus. Despite having a prehuman existence, he was born fully human with no trace of his previous angelic attributes whereas the fallen angels were unable or unwilling to shed their spiritual attributes. This gave their offspring superhuman strength and intelligence and bought them the fame they sought.
The situation had got so bad that God felt compelled to issue a proclamation at Genesis 6:3: "Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
This message was meant for the fallen angels who took on human form. God would allow 120 more years before bringing the global deluge. This date was known to those in heaven and not those on earth because the Bible was written much later, so no one knew when the end would come.
God eventually brought an end to the long cycles of life that men enjoyed, you can see this in Genesis where each generation died earlier than the previous generation. No one lived a day in God's eyes except for the materialized fallen angels and the Nephilim who were not under the original judgement.
Genesis 6:12, 13: "God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth."
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thetrueone
More stories from the Truthseeker.
I like to hear your explanation of why civilizations existed right through the flood of Noah .
Your just reiterating the mythological stories of the ancient Hebrews, thats not an answer to anything.
Its derisive but not an answer.
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truthseeker
thetrueone,
I didn't say that civilizations existed throughout the flood, this would not be possible. I did mention I was not dogmatic with dates so I have no problem with the video. If the flood account is true, civilizations would have appeared after the event unless it was a localized flood.
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thetrueone
I didn't say that civilizations existed throughout the flood, this would not be possible.
Your comment if any has no relevance, I just pointed out a fact, not a hypothetical suggestion but fact
with evidence to back it up. I'm beginning to think you have some sort of mental problem.
Do you accept the known fact of human ignorance in mankind's past history ? ( Truthseeker )
It doesn't matter if you shift the date over 50 years or even a 100 years.
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N.Drew
God would have had to provide the wicked angels with bodies and reproductive capacity. You believe the head of Christ is God? The head of the angels therefore is God too. Of course. Why did God provide the angels the means to impregnate the women? Is God evil?
The account was about the women being overcome by the angels to do their will, instead of God's will. To influence people is always in their capacity as creatures with will. And the women also had will, but it was ruined by the angels. They had offspring. Yes, have you never heard of breeding? DNA? The angels could choose the mates that would produce what they wanted. People do it with dogs and horses. There is not enough evidence that they materialzed bodies and actually bred with the humans. And believing so tends to persuade me you don't know The Holy One.The angels were quite capable of pulsing down and taking on human form so having relations with humans would not have been insurmountable. However, they would have needed organic food to maintain their human body.
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truthseeker
thetrueone,
The only fact your video points out is that according to secular history, it would have been impossible for a global flood to have occurred during 2348/2370 BC since civilization existed during and before those times.
Since I do not subscribe to either of these dates, the evidence is non-sequitur.