This happens to us all the time (Mr Bee has some metal parts) - by the time I collect our stuff and tie my shoes, he's done. He's not bothered by it, nor does he feel molested.
Rand Paul is a jackass.
Rand Paul Detained by TSA
by NewChapter 18 Replies latest jw friends
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NewChapter
I can see both sides BB. To tell you the truth, what I've seen of those pat downs really makes me cringe. I'm not a person to fly anyway, but when I've considered it, those have changed my mind. I realize I probably would not set off any alarms, but if I did . . . the thought of someone telling me I have submit to such a pat down or pay a fine just makes me feel suffocated. From what I understand, you don't even have the option to freely refuse it and decide not to fly. I don't know----it may not be a big deal for most people, but just the thought of it makes me a bit panicky.
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botchtowersociety
BizzyBee may not mind submitting to an intrusive body search for routine travel, but the vast majority of people are against it.
http://blogs.reuters.com/ask/2010/11/12/are-new-security-screenings-affecting-your-decision-to-fly/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20022526-501465.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody
At what point is enough enough? European airports do not do subject travellers to random body searches. Not even Israel does.
Apparently, Rand Paul did not set off a detector. He was singled out for a random search.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG8dNxLVpFE
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment04/
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botchtowersociety
The bigger picture of Rand Paul's brush with the TSA
Go Rand Paul, for refusing a patdown! But ordinary Americans will still be daily deprived of their constitutional rights by the TSA
The brouhaha over Senator Rand Paul's refusal to submit to a full-body groping by blue-gloved minions of the Transportation Security Administration shows, again, how the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Ever since America's founding, you'd always raise a few eyebrows if you ran around saying "I won't let total strangers see or touch my genitals when I travel." But in the good old days – read: the days before 9/11 gave politicos the chance to say "9/11 changed everything" as an all-purpose excuse to gut the constitution – those eyebrows went up because their owners would think: "No shit, Sherlock. What a creepy non-sequitur."
It's not a non sequitur anymore. Since 2010, it's actually considered newsworthy whenever an American says the government can't touch his "junk". And we Americans who insist on travelers' rights to keep our privates private are considered either radical anti-government zealots orrich selfish Scrooge-types out to undermine the working class, when we criticize the actions of poor downtrodden TSA agents, who are, after all, just following orders.
The US constitution still has the words "fourth amendment" written in it, and still says government agents cannot search people without a warrant, or probable cause to suspect wrongdoing. But TSA says the constitution doesn't apply to airports, train or bus stations, subways,highways or any form of transportation at all. As Ray Dineen, head of the TSA office in Charlotte, North Carolina, recently said:
"We are not [only] the Airport Security Administration. We take that transportation part seriously."
(The fourth amendment has no explicit "unless you're traveling" exemption, but 9/11 changed everything.)
Which brings us to Rand (son of Ron) Paul, a Kentucky senator and one of the pitifully few American lawmakers to speak against the unconstitutional affront to human dignity that is the TSA. Last April, when the video of six-year-old Anna Drexel's legal molestation at the hands of some just-following-orders creep outraged the nation, Paul criticized the TSA's actions, even as the TSA insisted that the conduct was perfectly proper, even necessary to keep America free.
Of course, the TSA interferes with adults, too. Sometimes, you can avoid that if you do what TSA calls "submit to a scan" –hold your hands over your head the way criminals do when they surrender, then stand perfectly still while radiation goes through your clothes and bounces off your skin, thus letting TSA agents see exactly what you look like naked. As a young woman, I'd always thought "Never let anyone photograph you naked" was good, solid, non-controversial advice. But 9/11 changed everything.
Even if you submit to the scan, TSA agents might still "pat you down" if they don't like what they see on their monitor. That happened to Rand Paul on Monday, when the TSA in Nashville wanted to grope him after the scanner showed an "anomaly" on his knee.
Any traveler with surgical scars or medical prosthetics may as well skip the scan and head straight for the grope-fest, because the TSA agents will likely demand one anyway. That's why Alaska state representativeSharon Cissna was singled out for the TSA treatment last year, after the scan showed agents her mastectomy scars. For TSA defenders, a breast cancer survivor with scars on her chest is suspicious, but government agents right to view those scars and the rest of her body is uncontroversial, because 9/11 changed everything.
So, Senator Paul missed a Senate vote on Monday after TSA agents wouldn't let him board his flight. As usual, ordinary Americans are outraged by the TSA's actions, but as usual, our outrage will make no difference to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano or her underling John Pistole, head of the TSA. Neither has shown the slightest awareness of quaint American notions like "government rules by consent of the governed".
For all that Rand Paul was right in refusing the TSA patdown, though, his proposed solution is little better than the status quo. Paul supports the creation of a "trusted traveler" program for frequent flyers who would be exempt from TSA procedures. That would surely be an improvement for frequent flyers like Senator Paul, but it still does not address the odious idea that the TSA's routine treatment of passengers is acceptable.
Fourth amendment rights should not be special privileges, doled out only to those the government deems "trustworthy". Or did 9/11 really change all that?
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Band on the Run
Amen to national press coverage for his father, too. This sounds so bizarre. The TSA would not dare target him. Obama could lose the election based on this incident if it were true. I have a mental implant and must go through private screenings. Why did they not try another machine to ascertain whether the first one was working correctly. Of course, I have a special card for my implanted device. It bulges out of me.
Wasn't there a similar incident surrounding Barbara Lee. Neither Rand nor the TSA is going to look good. Why did not the security person call for a higher official to see what to do. Something is missing from this story. A trusted traveller is a joke.
I saw the WTC wreckage. My neighbors were murdered. I was completely terrorized. No one should be trusted. Those people will be the very people Al-Qaeda or some group will recruit. Bribes, payoffs, id fraud. I want an El Al security here.
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designs
You tape a dime to your knee and you get millions of dollars of free National News coverage....pretty cleaver.
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BizzyBee
What would be amazing is if the TSA agents actually recognized the pasty-faced Mr. Paul first of all, and then secondly, decided to "single him out" for further scrutiny. Based on what?
If they decided to do that, it would have to be as a group of 4-5 people, and it would have to be pretty spontaneous since they don't have knowledge ahead of time of who's traveling. And how do they do that? A nod, a wink - "Let's give this mo'fo' a bad time - he's a Republican"?
Puh-leese.
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Berengaria
LOL like anyone other than we politics obsessed types would even recognize him!!!
I have a question though. Was this the full body scanner, or the regular old metal detector? They randomly pull folks out of line (red light green light) to do a wand and pat down. Is that what he refused??
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designs
TSA is the new Health Care plan for millions, you get a free Xray, Breast exam and Colonoscopy just ask Rand he signed up for a return visit