by 2SYN 29 Replies latest watchtower scandals
Simon, please add a 'Conspiracy Theories' section! Hehe!
Check this out...could it be true?
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/bushlies.html
The earlier in the forenoon you take the sun bath, the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing. - The Golden Age
September 11 was terrible. It would be even worse if it WAS already known by our President, although that's hard to prove.
What IS puzzling is his lack of immediate response when down in Florida that morning. I always wondered about that. And add to it this account that he said he saw the first plane crash. Hopefully he was only confused and meant he saw the second one, as many of us Americans did, live on TV. Either he's lying or confused. Neither scenario offers much solace.
The greatest leader in America during the first months of crisis is no longer in office, New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani. He came within inches of being trapped himself....His personal resolve and courage led the great city back from the brink, and may have led our country back from the brink as well.
J.R.Why shouldn't truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense.
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
I'm no David Icke fan, but he did provide a link to the whitehouse web site that corroborated what he was saying. From that site ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html) we find this quote of Bush in a response to a question about how he felt when he first heard about the 9/11 plane crashes:
I was in Florida. And my Chief of Staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident.What David Icke points out is that what Bush says here cannot be true. There was no live TV coverage of the first plane crashing into the tower. TV coverage began after that. There were amateur videos of the first crash, but those made it onto the air much later.But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower, America is under attack."
I have tried to think if this could be yet another of Bush's speech gaffes, and he said the "first" plane but actually meant the second plane, but I don't see how that's possible. As he later says, he heard about the second plane when Andy Card informed him.
Plus he gives too much supporting details to his story about seeing the first plane hit for it to have been just a simple transposition of the words "second" and "first."
So he is telling a story that cannot possibly be true. He couldn't have been watching live TV of the first plane crash as there was no live coverage of that. He couldn't have meant the second plane crash as he talks about that separately.
I am one of those who believes its possible the NSA and CIA knew about the attacks ahead of time and an executive decision was made to not prevent the attacks in order to get the excuse the right wing needed to bring about a war state and clamp down on human rights. Up till now I've had little evidence that this was the case, other than seeing who benefited the most from the attacks and some inconsistencies in the news coverage of the attacks. Plus the testimony of the FBI that they had captured email from the terrorists containing the plans for the attacks ahead of time, but claimed they didn't get around to reading it until after the attack. That seems a bit unlikely.
I have to say, this new story about Bush adds a bit more weight to this idea. One plausible explanation for this lie would be a cover story for how he knew in advance that the attack was going to happen. He just forgot that what he said couldn't have happened, unless there was a private video feed to him that only his aides knew about and set up so he could watch when it happened. But that's such a horrible thought, I'd rather not assume that for now.
I should point out that my assumption that he knew in advance was probably coupled with the thought that a plane crashing into the towers would cause some damage, but not as much as actually happened. I think that caught most people by surprise, even those who may have known about this in advance.
Well, it's interesting to speculate where this latest lie by Bush came from. Or maybe he really is just too stupid for words and cannot keep a story straight.
seeker-
i dont see this as a lie or a "gaffe" at all. when i first read the quote, i understood the president to be saying that he noticed on live news coverage that an airplane had hit the tower. he doesnt use the word "had" in his sentence, but it definitely sounds implied to me, especially considering the context of his entire statement. for instance, the last sentence in the first paragraph:
I said, it must have been a horrible accident.you dont watch a plane hit a building live and say, it must have been a horrible accident....but you might say that after watching news coverage of what has just happened, and what is unfolding.
i could be wrong, and maybe this was some blatant lie.....but it sure doesnt sound like it.
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What Bush obviously saw was a newsflash moments after the first plane hit, something many people saw and few considered to be a terrorist attack. He never said he saw it live. No conspiracy, not even a gaffe.
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"Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there. Theologians can persuade themselves of anything." -Robert A. Heinlein
derek-
i agree, it does seem quite obvious really.
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I saw an airplane hit the tower
...is what Bush said. Not possible. I was watching it live and there was no view of that first airplane hitting the tower. They showed the aftermath only. Then the second plane hit, and it wasn't even clear at first that it was a plane. I was watching it live and the newscasters were saying an "explosion" had ripped the second tower. Only later, after both towers had been hit, did they notice from the side of the camera angle that an airplane had hit.
From the timetable that Bush was talking about, what he said he saw he could not have seen. Nobody saw what he claims to have seen.
I don't think these statements by Bush are convincing evidence of the existence of a conspiracy. People's recollections of fast moving and sudden events (e.g. a traffic accident or bank robbery) are very often garbled and turn out to be quite inaccurate.
Couple that to Bush's natural inarticularity, and his statements become plausible in the circumstances.
Expatbrit
seeker-
cant you understand that he simply left out the word "had" but it was implied? its not that difficult to comprehend.....check the context as i pointed out (plus we cant even speculate as to what his tone of voice was, which many time infers past tense or present tense), and you will see what i mean about it being "implied". if you absolutely cannot admit this as even a possibility, then you are reaching far too hard in your fight against mr. bush, and you are wearing blinders.
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I think he just had embellished a bit....perhaps the thought of them not preventing the attack on purpose is too horrible to consider.
Probably just a stupid goof on Bushy's part. He could just be fibbing for effect as well.
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