George W. Bush: 9.30AM Sept 11 2001 (page 2)

DanielHaase

He was choking on a pretzel at the time.....

"Brother, you better get down on your knees and pay...a thousand more fools are being born every f***ing day" -Bad Religion

Of course I can accept the possibility. Didn't you read my first post in this thread? I said I couldn't think of another explanation but was open to the idea, and you are right, adding the word "had" to his sentence would explain his story. I'll chalk it up to another gaffe on his part.

Thanks for the explanation.

dubla

seeker-

Didn't you read my first post in this thread? I said I couldn't think of another explanation but was open to the idea

i just re-read your first post, twice, and couldnt find that statement or even implication anywhere in it. you did say that you tried to think of it as another one of bushs "gaffes", but didnt see how this was possible. in any event, if it was an implied "had" like i speculated, i really dont see how you could even categorize it as a "gaffe". i think the man said what he meant.....in fact, the first time i read the quote, i read it as such, and didnt even consider the other possibilities you/they are trying to spin it into until i finished reading your first post. oh well, i suppose we are just mincing words now.

aa

Seeker

i just re-read your first post, twice, and couldnt find that statement or even implication anywhere in it. you did say that you tried to think of it as another one of bushs "gaffes", but didnt see how this was possible.

You say you couldn't find my statement, and then you cite the statement I was talking about.

I read words and take meaning from them. What Bush said wasn't possible. If you added a word to his sentence, thereby changing the meaning, it makes sense again. It hadn't occurred to me that he didn't mean what he said. To me, words have meanings, and I like to use them with the correct meaning.

When I get a public figure such as Bush who mangles the language, I can sometimes have a hard time understanding if he means what he says. In this case, he said one thing, but meant something else.

Bodhisattva

Dubla, Derek, and Expat have expressed my thought, that the Resident saw that a plane had hit the first tower, as indeed some early news reports indicated. Clearly GWB has difficulty while not scripted, and the whole quote shows a lack of clear, chronological narration.

While it shows poor judgement to put off leaving the classroom sooner, it is understandable; we were all surprised that there were more planes, especially given that prior attacks had been precisely coordinated (African embassies) or single-point (Oklahoma City).

Icke undermines his own credibility when he goes on about the first plane being an airliner. Early on news reports indicated that ''a small plane'' had crashed into the building, which makes sense since a) the huge building dwarfed the plane, giving the impression that the plane was small, and b) most folks thought it was an accident, and a small private plane is what first pops into mind for some in that circumstance.

Seeker, sorry, but assuming that something GWB says spontaneously should make sense is like expecting a senile elder to read the Watchtower perfectly. You know you're going to hear about ''fleshy orgasms.''

dubla

seeker-

You say you couldn't find my statement, and then you cite the statement I was talking about.

i cited that statement specifically because i guessed thats what you were referencing, however....that statement didnt sound very "open to new ideas" to me, thats all. its not really important though, i get your drift.

I read words and take meaning from them. What Bush said wasn't possible. If you added a word to his sentence, thereby changing the meaning, it makes sense again. It hadn't occurred to me that he didn't mean what he said. To me, words have meanings, and I like to use them with the correct meaning.

as i have said, there are more than words behind meanings, and people translate words and sentences differently (see: the bible). tone of voice, guestures, that persons specific general use of grammar (not everyone has perfect grammar, but sometimes you just understand what the person meant), etc., are all things that go into a persons "meaning". if we take fredhall for example, most of us can understand what he means by a sentence, even though he leaves out MANY words. now granted, the presidents speach patterns and grammar are light years ahead of freddys, but you get the idea. so to you, what the president said is not possible (becuase youre looking to find fault), and to me, what he said is perfectly possible. to you, we have to add a word to make his sentence "make sense". to me, it makes perfect sense as is, and im sure it made perfect sense to whoever he said it to. if youre looking to spin something, you can find fault in just about anything or anyone, its not that difficult.

In this case, he said one thing, but meant something else.

we could go round and round for days, and im sure we are both capable, but again, i think he said exactly what he meant. you will continue to see it your way, obviously we all have our own opinions.....but i think if you look closer at yours, you might find that it is a result of your personal agenda with bush, and your continuing efforts to discredit him at every available opportunity.

aa

Elsewhere

I really don't think that there is anything to this story... it seems to me that Dubya's memory was working as it usually does.

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mommy

Honestly I had not thought of any conspiracy theories related to the Sept 11th attacks. The only one I am pretty sure of is that the plane in Pennsylvania was downed by our own guys, and not the terrorists. Due to several eye witness accounts revealed live the day of this event. One gentleman spoke to his daughter on the plane and said that they were being shot at, and that other aircraft was in the area. Of course to find this man now or even the transcript of his account will be darn near imposssible. If this true, then I say they should have the guts to admit to it, I don't think that anyone would blame them. But to play it up and hand out medals to invoke patriotism is just too much for me to stomach.

As for George's comments at first glance it appears to be as David Icke suggests. Yet after reading others comments I can see how they see it different. I guess the true test would be to line up the timing of when the first pictures aired, and when Bush walked into the room. That should not be so difficult, but I am lazy and I have no time to do this. Perhaps someone else may want to attempt to do this?
wendy

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Seeker

i think he said exactly what he meant. you will continue to see it your way, obviously we all have our own opinions.....but i think if you look closer at yours, you might find that it is a result of your personal agenda with bush, and your continuing efforts to discredit him at every available opportunity.

I freely admit I don't like the man, yet I am fair-minded, and admitted the other possibility when it was pointed out to me. I won't attack the guy for something he doesn't deserve.

However, I stand by one thing: he mispoke. He may have meant what he said, but if so, he used improper english. And yes, it does matter. People hang on what the president says. Look at what happened to the Yen earlier this week when he got his words mixed up.

dubla

seeker-

sorry, im admittedly notorious for carrying on arguments that have probably already exceeded their lifespan, but something about debating just always brings me back......

However, I stand by one thing: he mispoke.

thats fine, you can stand by it, but the fact is, he didnt. he spoke what he meant, and until someone decided to spin it, no one even noticed.

Look at what happened to the Yen earlier this week when he got his words mixed up.

thats a prime example for us to look at. why no fallout from this big mix up of words on sep.11th?? becuase it wasnt a mix up at all, until someone hunted it down, specifically looking to spin it, looking to find fault. this simply was not a mix up of words, it was the president relaying what happened, and how he reacted.

aa

George W. Bush: 9.30AM Sept 11 2001

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