Steven Unthank: What do we really know?

by SweetBabyCheezits 503 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • yourmomma
    yourmomma

    i am so tired of people coming on here and insulting those of us who call bullshit when we see it. am i reading this correctly? someone pointed out that what steve posted about the picture was not true, and now barbara anderson comes on here and calls the people who pointed this out "negative posters" and "JW apologists?" i really hope i have that wrong. if that is what has happened i am extremely sad to see barbara lower herself to this level. i mean, that is like right out of the watchtower textbook. i am blown away.

    and Barbara then posts with a straight face the "its not a picture its an image argument"? are you kidding me? i cannot believe a person with her reputation and stature would do that. again, that argument is right out of the watchtower text book. frankly how dare you. we are not stupid.

    and that you lump all of the critisms, the ones valid and not valid into 1 group is also right out of the watchtower text book. while its been proven the cases are real, and that critism is not valid, it is perfectly valid to hold steven accountable for the caption to the image he posted of that girl, because THAT WAS NOT TRUE! this is the exact quote of the caption "The above pencil drawing is an image of a young child in the Traralgon Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses that was recently raped by a fellow member of the church."

    i feel spat on. im used to that with rick, he has shown his true character on these boards. but i am stunned and saddened that barbara anderson, who i respect and admire is doing this.

    we have been victims of a cult, and have been lied to, told our entire lives what to think and believe, so if some of us ask for proof of things, or call bullshit when we see it, there is nothing wrong with that. and we should not be insulted or talked down to.

  • shepherd
    shepherd

    Steven Unthank: "The above pencil drawing is an image of a young child in the Traralgon Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses that was recently raped by a fellow member of the church."

    "About a week ago I was sent a pencil drawing of a young girl crying. The picture touched my heart and the pain of this child's helplessness made me too shed a tear. The image came from the family of a young rape victim in the Traralgon Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses."

    "I decided to use this picture as an “image”, not just to represent the abuse inflicted upon this families child that I have grown to care for, but for all the children. Last night I posted the image on this web page and described it as ”an image”. I used the phrase “image” to describe the drawing in the sense of a ‘mental image’ and a ‘representation’."


    So basically, in my view, Unthank has been caught lying and using an image he found online somewhere, which he claims a parent sent him, and this is his way of correcting what he said in order to get out of it.

    I remember previously suggesting the letters that were supposedly from the children and parents involved seemed fake to me, and I was chewed out over it. I still don't think they were genuinely written by the parents involved.

    The court cases were valid, and Unthank did a great job bringing them forward. His actions resulted in the WT changing their policy and in future they will comply with the law. I commend him for that.

    However, I also think his methods of publicity are dubious, and do nothing to add legitimacy to his valid cause. It's an important subject, it does not need these stunts.

    P.S. This is my opinion. I ask that certain ones avoid abusing me for expressing it.

  • yourmomma
    yourmomma

    I just re-read this that was from steven unthank that outlaw posted for him:

    "When it comes to child abuse within the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses there is a common pattern I have noticed among many of those who protect the religion and it’s leaders, sometimes even over the children…as long as the children remain nameless and faceless then those who share in these sins by covering them up believe that they themselves can remain blameless. These children have names and faces.

    Personally attacking me over my standing up for the children does not wash away your liability, your guilt, or your sharing in the sins of others, if you yourself did nothing. There is such a thing as community fault. You’re conscience is now either accusing you or excusing you. It will never acquit you. Take a good hard look at the face of the child in the above picture and then take a look at yourself in the mirror"

    ok, i am really trying to not get pissed off, and keep a level head. does it not seem as though steve is saying that because anyone had a problem with the picture, we are sharing in the sins of covering up child rape because people who cover up child rape want the victims to remain faceless? so our issue with the picture is not that it was misreprented, but in fact its because we want to keep the victims of child abuse faceless. am i out in left field?

    the next paragraph is really a doozy. is he saying that because we pointed out the picture was not what he said it was in the caption, that we are "attacking" him and that we share "guilt and sins, and community fault" and we are "attacking" him because our " conscience is now either accusing you or excusing you."?

    i mean WTF? how dare he, this is an absolute outrage. again i hope that im just tired from a long day, and am completly misreading these posts from barbara and steven. if not, this is utterly incredible and shocking.

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    It doesnt matter if someone here is "convinced" it is real... what matter is if indeed the whole thing is real. WE WERE ALL MISLEAD before and for many years.... some of us are easy to mislead still....

    If something smells like a rat.... its probably a rat.... Why to place misleading pictures and statements? One lie will discredit 100 truths.

    SOOOOO its just simple.

    If its real there must be evidence. PERIOD... not from his website... from his personal website or from his business website..... This aint the bible.

    I have read the story and somethings smelled fishy but I believed.. because I didnt want to not believe.... and I was too lazy to research...

    SOOOOOOOOOO if someone is questioning noone should feel offended... this aint a JC... Questioning its ALWAYS healthy.... ALWAYS.... because the truth will come up...

    In this time of the INTERNET lying...... its just stupid.

    Tim.... you are my hero as always.... And Barbara you too.

  • ScenicViewer
    ScenicViewer

    SweetBabyCheezits asked a good question,

    "I just skimmed a couple this morning and I'm just curious if there are any goverment websites that provide details or a summary of the case or charges made?"

    Yes there is such a website, and Steven Unthank is legitimate as the prosecutor of Watchtower, and as a genuinely concerned citizen for the safety and rights of children.

    -- To confirm Unthank's legitimacy as prosecutor of Watchtower, go to this website,

    http://www.magistratescourtvic.ozehosting.com.au/cgi-bin/searchlist.pl

    -- Click on the Criminal Lists circle.

    -- Fill in some of the information asked for to narrow down the search results.

    A few weeks ago I did this and here is a screen shot of what it looked like...

    The results of the search revealed all 5 cases that Unthank had against Watchtower. Here is the screen shot...

    Since the cases have been dropped by the DPP I don't know what a search will show now, but up until 2-21-2012 Steven Unthank was clearly shown as the prosecutor of Watchtower.

    As to the image of the crying girl, I believe the wording that it was an image of a molestation victim in the Traralgon Congregation is unfortunate. However, as he and Barbara Anderson explained the word "image" can be used in the sense of being a "representative image" to illustrate a point. It is very common in the publishing world.

    It would be better in my opinion if the picture had not been posted, or at least the wording hadn't suggested that it was a photo of an actual molestation victim, because it caused a lot of confusion where it isn't needed. The word "photo" wasn't used, but that is the way many readers took it, and indeed the word "image" can also refer to an actual photograph. However this is a small technical point that should not overshadow the legitimacy of the criminal cases involved here.

    Steven Unthank has done a tremendous amount of voluntary work to support the rights and safety of children in Victoria; he should be appreciated and applauded for it. Barbara Anderson is to be admired as well for her tireless work in support of child molestion victims in the Watchtower organization. For Barbara to support Steven in his work is a good thing. I don't believe that either one of them should be criticized for the work done, and the positive outcomes that have been achieved, in these child protection cases.

    I am extremely thankful that people like Steven Unthank and Barbara Anderson exist and are willing to work tirelessly for the benefit of other human beings. They both have my whole-hearted support.

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    ehem ehem... That domain name looks interesting... I ran a search and it didnt bring any results.... and the actual site for the court is this

    http://www.magistratescourt.vic.gov.au/

    And to seach for the case is this

    https://dailylists.magistratesvic.com.au/search-court-lists.aspx?

    it gets better...... this link

    http://www.magistratescourtvic.ozehosting.com.au/cgi-bin/mc_lists_civ.pl?court=059

    none of the links on the bottom work... and if you look at the calendar is all empty

    all I am saying is that it continues to smell fishy

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    HA that domain is blacklisted

    check this out

    http://www.robtex.com/ip/210.247.176.113.html#ip

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    Well.... see when you start digging in the dogyard....

    http://www.who.is/whois/ozehosting.com.au/

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    oh should we keep digging?

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    This is a search on the real site

    http://www.robtex.com/dns/www.magistratescourt.vic.gov.au.html#records

    This is why my ex-girlfriend hates me.

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