Atheists, Agnostics or Theists .... So Who's Happiest?

by 00DAD 44 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    A couple of years ago, a psychologist I know made the off-handed comment that there is conclusive evidence that "Atheists are not as happy as the ordinary, average person?"

    We tossed that subject around for a few minutes and then moved on to something else. At the time, I didn't think too much about it. Mind you this doctor never revealed his particular religious beliefs (if any) and only briefly mentioned his philosophical inclinations as being largely existential in nature, and in particular informed by Søren Kierkegaard.

    In the intervening period, his casual remark has really resonated with me.

    In my experience, True Believers tm of every stripe--whether Christian, Muslim, Atheist, ... whatever--tend to be very uptight, unhappy people always going around trying to prove everyone else wrong and themselves right, often in a rude, offensive and annoying manner with total disregard for the beliefs of others.

    On the other hand, the thoughtful, introspective people I have known, the ones that have examined a number of different belief systems and concluded they don't know all the answers and they're probably unknowable anyway, these are the ones that seem to best be able to get through life with calmness, dignity, grace and a certain serenity that True Believers tm clearly and curiously lack.

    So I'd like to open this up for discussion here on the board. Share what you know about this subject, whether it is simply your own personal experiences and observations or academic and scientific studies of which you are aware that have singular relevance:

    Who is the happiest? Believer or Not!

  • No Room For George
    No Room For George

    I don't know where beloved Mr.Falcon is, but I'm sure he would say that Nihilists are the happiest.

  • unshackled
    unshackled

    Ignorance is bliss...

    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. ~Ernest Hemingway

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    Personally, I think that measuring things like happiness as a general concept is probably impossible. We'd have to be very specific when considering what aspects of life we are satisfied with. Religious people believe their faith is supposed to make them happy, so they will say they are happy. But if we start asking specifics, like are you content with you mate, children, schooling etc. we may get a very different answer.

    I can say for myself, since letting go of a god belief, I do feel happier about many things. There is less pressure on me, and less mind and guilt games. But many things about my life aren't perfect, and they have absolutely nothing to do with my religion or lack of. I do know that many of my problems were aggravated by religion.

    tough question to answer, but I have to say, losing the sense of some grand judgment really helps a person just live in the moment and enjoy what they have right now.

    NC

  • Retrovirus
    Retrovirus

    Interesting question. I'd say it relates to where a person is at in spiritual development, as in these definitions (I know they've been referenced here before).

    Basically if you are at Stage II or thereabouts, and lose confidence in a God that provides all the answers, it would be difficult to live happily. But also if you are at III or more, belonging to a religion with a lot of arbitrary rules would be stifling. But then, if all your family and/or neighbourhood believed this way it would be hard also.

    Just my take on a complex issue . . .Retro

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    NRFG: Then we should invite Mr. Falcon to the party! Do you know him? Can you send him this way?

    unshackled: Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. ~Ernest Hemingway

    Great quote from a jaded author. But the reality is that is not alway true. Many intelligent people manage to live very fulling, happy lives.

    NewChapter: You're right of course, there is no objective way to measure happiness. And it's equally true you can't depend on the testimony of anyone inside of any particular belief system because they will naturally say they are HAPPY just to defend their beliefs. JWs are of course an obvious example, "We're the happiest people on earth!" in spite of voluminous evidence to the contrary!

    Retrovirus: Definitely a complex issue. Don't think I agree with those four Stages of Spiritual Growth, but I like the general idea!

  • Twitch
    Twitch
    In my experience, True Believers tm of every stripe--whether Christian, Muslim, Atheist, ... whatever--tend to be very uptight, unhappy people always going around trying to prove everyone else wrong and themselves right, often in a rude, offensive and annoying manner with total disregard for the beliefs of others.

    Not in my experience.

    On the other hand, the thoughtful, introspective people I have known, the ones that have examined a number of different belief systems and concluded they don't know all the answers and they're probably unknowable anyway, these are the ones that seem to best be able to get through life with calmness, dignity, grace and a certain serenity that True Believers tm clearly and curiously lack.

    I dunno, I've known some very arrogant atheists.

    Overall, your questions are heavily polarized and obviously biased. I suspect your sampling needs more data ;)

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Hmmm.....

    I'd say that a person's happiness depends on a complex interaction of many factors - health, financial stability, a loving environment - also primarily the type and quality of parenting that they received; the flexibility or rigidity of the social system within which they were raised; and the individual's own tendencies to be either somewhat conformist - and contented in that role, or non-conformist in a SUPPORTIVE system and pleased with THAT role...

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    ziddina, agreed. It is SO complex. You are basically reiterating the Nature vs. Nurture debate along with your own experience.

    Twitch: This isn't meant to be a scientific study, just an arm-chair conversation among friends. That being said your initial responses seem to contradict each other. First you seem to disagree with my statement that "Atheist [are] very uptight, unhappy people always going around trying to prove everyone else wrong and themselves right, often in a rude, offensive and annoying manner with total disregard for the beliefs of others." and then you go on to say that you have "some very arrogant atheists". Please clarify.

    00DAD

  • ziddina
    ziddina
    ".....You are basically reiterating the Nature vs. Nurture debate along with your own experience. ..." 00Dad

    AAaaaargh, I thought it was more complex than THAT!!??!

    BTW, just a "heads' up" - the "edit" function for posts isn't working right now....

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