Surprise biblical discovery

by stillstuckcruz 39 Replies latest social current

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Well, all I'm doing is following the current blogs.

    Here is a rather interesting roundup:

    http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2012/03/thoughts-talpiot-tomb/

    Most interesting is the suggestion that the image depicts an unguentarium, the vessel that holds the perfumes and ointments used to prepare the body for burial, and usually interned in burials. This nicely accounts for the orientation of the image (upside-down if the image depicts a nefesh), the small foot or base at the bottom, the "fins" on the side (being jar handles), and the "scales" (being the design motif on the jar).

    This example picture linked in the blog is suggestive:

    Heiser sums it up: "So, I’m currently at 'no fish, no Jonah, and very likely no divine name.' It just feels vacuous. And even if Tabor is correct on all these counts, there is nothing that actually connects this tomb to the other — it’s just a hunch or supposition."

  • Leolaia
  • Chariklo
    Chariklo

    Who can guess what the take on this will be in an upcoming Watchtower?

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises

    I'm no expert, but when I saw those photos of the etching, my first thought was that it was a vase. It's definitely not a fish.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    If I understand the footnote correctly (34 in the preliminary report BTS linked) it says Richard Bauckham thinks the divine name is present in an unusual form:

    I thank Richard Bauckham for this point. He suggests that the first iota and the second one are
    purposely written in a different style to represent the two Hebrew letters Yod and Vav.

    Bauckham is a highly regarded New Testament scholar. I don't see why this should be surprising since we already know Greek forms of the divine name were used in sacred texts of the period. Given that it is a transliteration it was probably widely spoken as well.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    The phrase "God raised up" occurs a number of times in Acts. Could this phrase from the sealed tomb be an allusion to a version of Acts that contained the divine name and thus very early support for the divine name in the New Testament?

  • TTWSYF
    TTWSYF

    Terry wrote- Better than any dozen "famed Watchtower scholars"!

    Are there really any 'famed Watchtower scholars'?

  • vanyell
    vanyell

    Are there really any 'famed Watchtower scholars'?

    Hmmm... The only indigenous one I can think of is the one that did the translation for NWT, Fred Franz. Other famed scholars are misquoted out of context by the WTBTS. Another is Greg Stafford, a JW Apologist.

    Uhh... wait.. WTBTS doesn't publish the names of the authors, because it's gving glory to the authors rather than to Jehovah. Since Jehovah owns everthing, feel free to plagiarize and misquote those "non-JW" scholars and mistranslate the Hebrew and Greek texts.

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    Hmmm... The only indigenous one I can think of is the one that did the translation for NWT, Fred Franz.

    The Greek Scholar who did not know Greek.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Maybe Bauckham is being accurately represented in the footnote (I'd prefer to hear from Bauckham himself that he agrees with the interpretation of the inscription), but he is not an epigrapher. Christopher Rollston, who is an epigrapher who specializes in ancient Levantine inscriptions (and who was the epigraphic consultant for the National Geographic/Discovery Channel program on the find), believes that the initial letter is not an iota at all (http://asorblog.org/?p=1642), and if the letter is not an iota, then there is no tetragrammaton. The iota was written as a single vertical stroke in inscriptions of the period, not with a long horizontal stroke at the top as seen in the photo (the lower horizontal stroke is not even clearly visible). Maybe Bauckham was referring to stylized serifs used in elegant ornamental inscriptions, but what reason is there for expecting serifs to be used in ossuary inscriptions which were usually quite crude in style? And this is not a serif but a long, and deep, horizontal stroke, as Rollston states: "I must stress that the convergence of the cumulative evidence demonstrates in a cogent manner that the first letter is simply not an iota. In reality, this letter is most readily understood as a tau (i.e., a top horizontal and a vertical) or (alternatively) a zeta. However, it is certainly not an iota." If the iota identification is epigraphically viable, there ought to be other examples of the morphology seen in the Talpiyot B tomb in inscriptions of the period. It would be good to hear other epigraphers weigh in.

    Rollston also notes on his blog that, accepting that the letter in question is a tau, the last two letters of line 1 and the first two letters of line 2 spell the word osta "bones" (pl.), which according to Rollston occurs in other ossuary inscriptions and burial texts, for obvious reasons.

    And also Jacobovici makes a point that should imo make the tetragrammaton interpretation highly problematic (from Rollston's blog): "Jews did not – and do not – write the Tetragrammaton on a bone box filled with 'tumah' or impurity". That's a really good point. This makes a good deal of sense, but for Jacobovici this just indicates that there must be something super super special about this tomb that would allow such an unusual thing to happen. Whereas I think the more justified response is...hmmm maybe this isn't a tetragrammaton, the inscription isn't entirely legible anyway, maybe we should reevaluate our reading of the text in light of its intrinsic improbability. But this improbability is hand-waved away simply by the (already-held) speculation that the tomb must be Christian and associated with Jesus. This then is imo a circular argument since one must already accept this speculative identification of the tomb in evaluating the evidence.

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