How to Wreck the Watchtower

by metatron 27 Replies latest jw friends

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  Frenchy

  I also believe that sites like this one help. I would think, however, that most of the JW's who visit (and stay for any time) are those that already feel there is something wrong.

  I'm not sure that fliers would do much good unless they were very subtle. An obvious attack on the WTBS would send red flags up. Next, if a Witness were to pick one up he would have to be alone in order to read it. If there is another Witness with him, he'll feel obligated to throw it away. He can't keep the flier for fear of its being discovered on his person. But this is interesting nonetheless. Can you think up of something that might compell a Witness to read on and perhaps sow a seed of doubt in their mind? I would be interested in seeing this.

  The internet is a different cookie altogether. He can browse in privacy and, unlike the flier, the volume of information is tremendous.

  There is also the advantage of interaction with others. On the board he has a chance to voice his concerns and questions and see how others have handled this.

  The drawback is that there are a lot of Witnesses that don't have computers and many that have them but would not dare get online.
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  termite 35

  Jerome; frenchy; have just seen your replies...
  Yep; he blamed apostates, the info i had was looked at; but he said he could'nt comment on ANY of it as he DID NOT KNOW WHETHER IT WAS TRUE OR NOT!The trouble with his attitude and others is that they can see independant evidence but discount it .It was incredible, not a flicker of emotion passed across his face.I was also told that all that know will not pass comment as they were'told' an apostate was behind it. When i replied 'did that matter even if it were true as the source does not invalid the truth of the message'They were non commital and blank AGAIN.They origionally were interested...asked for all i could show them...i did... now i have they seem to be closing down on me.I don't get it ;they asked;i produced;now what?They've either decided to err on the side of caution as the apostate word has been mentioned or they've lost interest.They did quote previous scandals and pointed out that the org survived them .they must think or been told to think; that it's a scandal that cannot interfere with gods org .
  As to the leaflet drop... i fancied just a small piece of paper dropped whilst meeting was in full swing,outside by the gate etc; that would catch them one by one as they filter out through boredom.On it would just be...Jehovahs-witnesses.com
  
  They'd know, it'd be enough.It'd be spoken of and warned against, but few will resist a peek.There are so many internet cafes; kids still at home can go to one and noone would ever know.
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  termite 35

  Anymore ideas?
  anyone fancy printing up a few?
  I can't do it on my own-a bit bleedin' obvious!!
  i know it won't rock the foundations...but it may start the slow realisation of information to those who know bugger all
  That's what advertising's about is'nt it?Saturation and getting your name out; even if no one knows what it is...
  Just a little piece of card or paper with JEHOVAHS-WITNESSES.COM
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  Imagine it ...thousands of the little sly slips all over their property, just bung 'em through the gate, the wind will do the rest!
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  Seeker4

  Several good points made here.

  First - the Internet is probably the most powerful anti-JW tool available. It's private, and it's getting more and more accessible by more and more people everyday. It was a huge factor in getting me out. As Net access moves into more and more third world countries, growth will slow just as it has in the 75 first world countries.

  Second - Flyers or pamphlets are unlikely to sway many JWs. Waste of paper.

  Third - While JWs may be a real big deal to us, they are simply not that important to most other people, and in reality, they are unknown to perhaps at least 2/3 of the world's population. So much for "preaching the good news in all the inhabited earth." Just ain't happening. This also makes it difficult to get anything about the JWs into the press. They are just not that important. JWs are seen as part of the religious fringe. "Earth shattering" news about the WTS to us ex-JWs has not always been that easy to get into the press.

  Those of you wondering if it's because of fear of the WTS by the press, well, you just don't know what you're talking about. The Catholic Church is just getting barraged with bad press right now, and they have a million times the power of the WTS. The press ignores them, not because of the WTS's "influence" and fearsome legal dept., but because the WTS really has no influence. In the hierarchy of important news, anything about the WTS or JWs is near the bottom.

  Fourth - The pedophile issue is huge right now (thank you Catholic Church). Here in New England it is on TV every day. What a great time for the Dateline segment to come out. Let's hope it does soon. I'm already seeing articles in mags and newspapers about how pedophilia isn't just a problem in the Catholic Church, but in other religions as well. Having JWs lumped in with that group will do a lot of harm as far as reputation and growth is concerned. JWs - different, better, happier?? Yeah, sure!

  Fifth - There will be people who remain JWs no matter what happens. Don't think that any of this will stamp out the WTS. It's here to stay, at least for a few more decades. My thinking is that it is future growth that can most be affected by the Net and by bad publicity. Sites like this one and Randy's, Kent's and others are doing the most good. There's an avalanche of info revealing the "truth" about the Witnesses, and nothing is going to stop that now.

  Sixth - I would guess that the WTS is starting to feel the money pinch. They have deep pockets, but that doesn't mean that they are not already cutting back. We've had posts on here about that.

  Seventh - A LOT of the people who remain JWs are really half-hearted. I personally know many who simply go through the motions. Day to day hypocrisy is the norm in the WTS, not the exception. That's not new, but may be more widespread than ever, and it creates a weak core.

  S4
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  SixofNine

  Sixth.

  Yeth?
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  LDH

  Six, you are too funny.

  Frenchy, the Catholic Church only thrives because it had so many years in the darkness to grow.

  The JW church is a NEW phenonemon, less than 100 years old. Look at the way our Society has changed from a bunch of Yes men factory workers to cynical genXers who make millions overnight.

  They have the 'audacity' to question everything.

  I think this will be the biggest difference in the parallel between the two churches.

  I predict that the WBTS will continue to grow in places where the inhabitants have all the cultural savvy of the guys in 'Deliverance.'
  And the rest of the world where technology is replacing interest in religion, the JWs will dry up like a Mother#*&.

  I hope, anyway.

  Lisa
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  Seeker4

  6of9 -
  Yeth, we did. I forget the details, but sometime in the past month there was a post on here about some changes in the international building work, or something similar. My memory is vague about it, but it seemed it was a post of someone's letter from Bethel - you know those "experiences" letters. Or perhaps a talk at an assembly? I think it referred to a loss in contributions over the last several months. Anyone else with a better 'remembery' than I?

  Lisa: "I predict that the WBTS will continue to grow in places where the inhabitants have all the cultural savvy of the guys in 'Deliverance.' And the rest of the world where technology is replacing interest in religion, the JWs will dry up like a Mother#*&."

  Damn right. (And nice photo, girl!)
  S4
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  ChristFollower

  Justin,

  Well said, and I agree.

  Those are good observations. It is true that you "can't beat something with nothing" - meaning that the JW's who have faith and the presupositions that atheism is not an alternative, will likely not leave because they think there is no alternative.

  What is needed is a world-view to replace their twisted JW world-view. Like it or not, we have to realize that they do have a world-view (albeit a twisted WT view), and we can't really help some of these people until we can replace that world-view with something more healthy.

  Sadly, the WT twisting of the scripture "who will we go away to?" sits well with a lot of Jdubs.

  For this reason, I have been working on a point for point counter of the "Live Forever" book. It is one of the most damaging books they have in terms of building a twisted world-view in their converts quickly. There is a counter for all that garbage in that book that is distinctly Christian (Historic Christianity). My question is, should I post pieces one at a time in a Forum like this; find a website to post it; or start my own website? I haven't really decided yet, and it will likely be a combination of all three.

  I would like to mention again that I don't have a problem with a ex-JW that is now athiest. I am just glad they are out, are sane, and haven't commited suicide in the process. I appreciate all ex-JW's regardless of current philosophical position.

  Only problem is that I work full-time, and go to school full-time, so will take me some time to finish. But if I can find the will- power to get off this forum a bit , I will work on a piece now.

  Peace out