Was Jesus racist ? mP: YES with scriptures

by mP 36 Replies latest jw friends

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  tec

  I have answered nearly all your questions, now please answer my only question. Forget everything else. Was JC racist ?

  You have not answered or even addressed the two questions that I have continued to ask you. I am beginning to wonder if you are deliberately avoiding them because you cannot answer them and maintain your belief that jesus was racist.

  I have answered your question numerous times.

  No JC was not racist. Why would I be arguing that he is not racist, if I thought that he was racist?

  Peace,

  tammy
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  mP

  @TEC

  Gen 15:6 Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness

  mP - What does believed mean other than faith?

  In either case, how about we move on? The covenant with Israel was based on a promise made to Abraham. Do you accept this?

  Christ's acts were in fulfillment to that promise and covenant... not because he was racist. Are you going to answer the questions I asked?

  Peace,

  Tammy

  @MP

  Im sorry righteousness doenst mean faith, they are very much separate words with different meanings. Check any dictionary. It the author of Genesis thought the covenenent was because of faith, he should have said so AND at the very least included a story that demonstrated this faith.

  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/righteous

  [ rahy -ch uh s ]   Origin

  right·eous

      [ rahy -ch uh s ] Show IPA adjective 1. characterized by uprightness or morality: a righteous observance of the law. 2. morally right or justifiable: righteous indignation. 3. acting in an upright, moral way; virtuous: a righteous and godly person. 4. Slang . absolutely genuine or wonderful: some righteous playing by a jazz great. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith

  faith

      [ feyth ] Show IPA noun 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability. 2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact. 3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion : the firm faith of the Pilgrims. 4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics , standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty. 5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.

  I am not discussing about Christ mission, im discussing what he as a man did. You continue to dodge his actions and words with the Samaritan woman.

  I have already conceeded Jesus was on a mission, it doesnt matter if he was or wasnt. We are all busy everyday, it doesnt mean we should be racist if we run into someone of a different race. We can still be kind or at the very least civil.
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  ziddina

  "....not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham...." tec

  Who else at that time would be "of the law and ALSO of the faith of Abraham", except for Jews and those who converted to Judaism??

  "... If this was about racism, then how is it that anyone of any race (strangers, not Israel) could join them and share in the promises of the covenant?..." tec

  This didn't happen until the days of the apostle Paul.... Prior to that time, Gentiles weren't accepted - except perhaps under very unusual circumstances.
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  mP

  @TEC

  Ignore the mission, just focus on the limited scriptures i have presented. Its not fair that you bring stuff from the outside you just make things ever more complicated and the scope ever the more larger making it difficult for us to focus on what is just a small story told in a few lines of text.
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  tec

  Im sorry righteousness doenst mean faith, they are very much separate words with different meanings. Check any dictionary. It the author of Genesis thought the covenenent was because of faith, he should have said so AND at the very least included a story that demonstrated this faith.

  Again you misread what I said. I did not ask if righteousness meant faith. I asked if belief meant faith. I would suggest that you check any dictionary, but your own post above has faith and belief as interchangeable words.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  mP

  @TEC

  Im sorry righteousness doenst mean faith, they are very much separate words with different meanings. Check any dictionary. It the author of Genesis thought the covenenent was because of faith, he should have said so AND at the very least included a story that demonstrated this faith.

  Again you misread what I said. I did not ask if righteousness meant faith. I asked if belief meant faith. I would suggest that you check any dictionary, but your own post above has faith and belief as interchangeable words.

  Peace,

  tammy

  @MP

  I suppose faith=belief. I fail to see why this matters, you keep avoiding the core question.
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  mP

  Romans 4:13 -16 It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring recieved the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who love by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression. Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring - not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham.

  That text is wishy washy and it also makes statements that are wrong. I have demonstrated that Abrahams faith was weak and failed when it counts. Yes he was human, but apparently he failed, thats what the scriptures say. Im not judging him, but i do wonder how someone who sees such wonder with Pharoah could so easily forget when he runs into trouble in the future.

  If we all have the same faith as Abraham, then we dont really have faith do we ?
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  tec

  Ignore the mission, just focus on the limited scriptures i have presented. Its not fair that you bring stuff from the outside you just make things ever more complicated and the scope ever the more larger making it difficult for us to focus on what is just a small story told in a few lines of text.

  What are you talking about?

  I bring up other verses and scriptures to support what I am saying. That Christ could not go to the Gentile woman before he went to those who were part of the promise/covenant/contract. Because the promise was TO Israel. This is why he did not answer the Gentile woman... not because he was racist, but because he was fulfilling the promise that was given to Israel. If he was racist, then he would not have later told his disciples to preach to the rest of the nations on the earth. Matt 28: 19 Go and make disciples of all nations. Nor would the great multitude from revelation consist of people from every tribe, nation, people and language. Now would we have John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

  The verses I bring up dispute your conclusion and offer an alternative reason that is not in conflict with the rest.

  (Of course, he relented and healed the daughter of the gentil woman anyway, because of her faith. Showing that people can be heard and saved by faith... now that is a bit off topic, but the rest is not)

  Peace,

  tammy
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  tec

  I suppose faith=belief. I fail to see why this matters, you keep avoiding the core question.

  It matters because you keep saying that it was not there. That this could not be a reason that God made a promise to Abraham.

  I believe I have answered your question. It not, please state it for me once again.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  tec

  If Abraham obeyed everything that God commanded of him, then I would have to say that his faith never failed when it counted.

  peace,

  tammy