no im not dishonest about picking scriptures.
Are you not picking the bad verses over the good ones? Is that the same selective picking you accuse me of doing, and being dishonest about?
the bible is presented in its entirety as the word of god
Ah... but presented by whom as this? Not God.
examining and find problems are a test it should pass with flying colours.
If it was the infallible, inerrant Word of God, sure. But it is not. God is spirit. His Word is Spirit. Christ is the Word of God and Christ is also Spirit. What we have written are recordings of things that happened, some being inspired (so in the spirit, yes), but still subject to translation errors due to lack of understanding. (translation from spirit to flesh, and from language to language, and from copy to copy)
firstly if you believe in christ, then you shoukd ask and be able to answer wyy did jesus bother and respect the ot as gods law? why was he not angry or did not mention the ot was a fraud and blasphemy. the fact is his actions, respect for traditions like the passover,
circumcision, sabbath show he was very much a jew who accepted and bekieved.
He respected the law. There is nothing wrong with the law. There are things wrong with the application of the law, and the many rules and addendums that got added into the law. He also said specifically that Moses gave them the law on divorce... not because it was God's law, but because their hearts were too hard to hear anything better.
He also understood from the law, that mercy was more important than sacrifice. That forgiveness was better than punishment. He knew these things, and he taught them. He also improved upon eye for eye... to turn the other cheek and forgive all those who sin against you.
Just some things to think about.
after all that fraud in ot, gospels and other nt books, how do jnow what is real and what is myth or political propoganda?
Use your reason. See what is corroborated. Ask Christ for understanding and spirit. Apply His teachings... a liar and a fraud cannot teach truth, and is unlikely to die for it.
there is no historical proof for jesus outside the bible. matthew is an established liar, mark makes the basic geogrpahic mistakes and has no resurrection or ascension. luke is also riddled with errors, while john seems to be teling quite a dufferent stiry from the synootic gospeks. then we have the curious case of paul not mentioning a single fact about jesus ministry except he is our lord who died for us. does paul really nknmow jesus, he doesnt emention nazareth, mary, any of the apostles, how or where jesus ministered or died?
The bible is not one book or one witness accounts. It is many books, and many witness accounts. Most scholars accept an historical 'Jesus' ('yeshua ben josef' or some other spelling of his name.)
And again, you claim that someone is a liar without anything to prove this statement. Unless you think a mistake (if there is one) makes a person a liar? In which case, I guess that also makes you a liar. How many mistakes have you noticed that you have made in the course of our discussion?
If you have different witnesses with different e x periences, you are going to get different details to a similar story. That just makes sense. As for Paul, we only have a glimpse into his ministry through some letters that he wrote. But he ministered more in person, as he says even in those letters. His was not a gospel account of the life of Christ.
im sorry jesus teachings and lessons cannot be true as they are mostly advices. they can be good, worthwhile or bad but never true or fakse. those lessons as presented are not facts but parables and commentaries.
Some are parables, some teachings are designed to make you think and judge for yourself... some are pointblank instruction. Do not judge, lest you be judged. Bless those who curse you. No more eye for eye. Remove the plank in your own eye before you can see clearly to remove the splinter in your brother's eye.
If you can see the truth in these teachings, then the teachings are true.
he wouldnt love everyone and yet say women are just meat to buy, sell and rape.
You're right... he wouldn't... and he didn't. But Ruth was not sold like a piece of meat. She was a widow who was cared for by the nearest kin, taken as wife and her sons will continue the line of her late husband, so that his name does not die out. Different custom, different people, different time.
does the name jesus even appear in revelation?
It does.
Peace,
tammy
