Indoctrinating the Grandchildren, Knowing the Parents Object.

by OnTheWayOut 21 Replies latest jw friends

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    In January, I posted this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/220914/1/Leaving-JW-Tracts-at-the-Funeral-Visitation

    This is a continuation of the thread. Here's the opening post of that thread, so you don't have to relive the whole thing:

    JW's cannot help themselves. A couple who were very close friends with my wife and I when I was a JW had a few kids that grew up. None of their kids remained JW despite their heavy activity while growing up. One of their sons is married with some children of his own. His baby died and because the son was not a practicing JW, I decided to accompany my wife to the visitation.

    So to be clear- the mother and father of the child are not JW's. But tons of JW family were there. I did notice that there were virtually no JW's who were not family. I think they were unsure if the son was disfellowshipped or never baptized. (This one was never baptized.)

    Well, of course someone (or more than one someones) couldn't help themself and put the WHAT HOPE FOR DEAD LOVED ONES tracts out on the tables. I can say that while I was there, absolutely nobody picked one of them up. I imagine some pioneer was even "counting their time" if they are the one who put them there.

    Many family members were elders in their perspective congregations. Only one from my wife's congregation (technically, the congregation I am an inactive member of) was there because he was related to the family by marriage. Except for him (knowing I am not DF'ed), most of the elders seemed to keep their distance from me, possibly because they didn't know if I were DF'ed or not, also possibly because I didn't wear a suit to a visitation. I was dressed nicely, though. Many non-JW friends and family didn't wear suits either.

    So continuing on, we had reason to see the one of the people who were our close friends as JW's- the JW grandmother of the child that passed. Let's call her Sally.

    My JW wife asked Sally if their daughter-in-law was doing okay with her recent loss. It was such a weird response from Sally. She said words to the effect of "I guess she's doing okay. She has been avoiding me since the funeral. I don't know why."

    I wanted to say that it might have been the pushing of their cult religion onto the whole funeral that creeped out Sally's daughter-in-law. But I stayed silent. It seemed that Sally was totally letting her guard down to the fact that "I" was there in the room.

    After saying "I don't know why," Sally more fully explained what was happening. She clearly knew "why" the daughter-in-law was avoiding her. It went something like this:

    "Well, after the funeral I hadn't seen the other two grandchildren for three weeks so I asked my son if I could have them over. Usually, [Daughter-in-law] dropped them off, but my son did instead. He said that they had been called by many Witnesses and got many cards from Witnesses. It was mainly aimed at him and how much they hoped to see more of him." (I am unsure of their ages, but they are quite young.)

    "Anyway, while the kids were here, they talked about how their baby sibling was an angel in Heaven with God. I talked about how that wasn't true and I told them about Jehovah's purposes. [One of the grandkids] said 'Mommy said we should stop talking about Jehovah and talk about Jesus. Well, that' was fine with me. I can do that. [One of the grandkids] said that Mom and Dad didn't want them going to the Kingdom Hall anymore. I said if they are visiting us at meeting time, that we would still go."

    My wife made some comments about the daughter-in-law just feeling overwhelmed by the whole thing and Sally said the following:

    "I hate always contradicting what [the grandkids] are saying, but all I am doing is telling them 'the truth.' "

    I could hardly believe my ears. Sally knew that she was directly contradicting the things parents had decided to tell their children about the loss of their sibling. Even if you fully disagree with the parents, you have no right to decide to tell them something else. There wasn't any point in my saying anything because Sally already knew what she had done and was just pretending not to understand her daughter-in-law's 'problem.'

    When we left, my wife said how she really thought Sally was so wonderful. I said I had a huge problem with Sally contradicting her son and daughter-in-law's information to the kids. It was a classic cult moment as my wife would not even consider responding to my comments and instead, abruptly changed the subject.

  • TOTH
    TOTH

    WOW! I never cease to be amazed at how imposing the jw's can be. I think that Sally really overstepped her bounds with this thing she did. even my uber jw father in law knows not to go behind my back and say anything to the kids no matter the situation. My youngest was 16 and had a lovely head of curly hair growing. It was shoulder length and I had NO problem with it. Neither did his mom. But my father in law's idiot brother, Count Drunkula did. He didn't come to my son or I nor to my wife about this issue. He went to my father in law and demanded that HE do SOMETHING about my son's hair. My father in law told me about it and that he told Count Drunkula that he HAS A MOTHER AND FATHER and that he had NO PLACE in the matter and that he didn't either.

    I swear some people feel justified in doing just about anything to please that organization. I bet she gets to relate the whole situation at an assembly and gets praised for her valiant fight for Jehovah and saving the kids from evil Christendom.

    Thanks for sharing...

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    When I had to move my family back to California under difficult circumstances my parents made a last ditch effort to drag my sons into the bOrg. My parents were able secure an apartment for my family and I but it was a two bedroom (we are a family of 6). My father said we all couldn't live at the apartment together so he would take the boys (Jr and Shane) and since false religion wasnt allowed in their house the boys would be required to attend every meeting at the hall. Needless to say I did not agree to my father's proposal and told him if that was the condition to accepting the apartment I would find another way and make other arrangements.

    I never thought my parents would make a move like that. I don't put anything pass them now.

  • TOTH
    TOTH

    Wow Mrsjones5...How did it turn out?

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    I went to a funeral where the person that died was a JW as was his wife, but virtually all the family and everyone at the funeral were not JWs. The talk was conducted at the cemetery by an elder. It really annoyed me that the elderette then when with a huge pile of brochures and tried to preach to everyone there. Don't they realise the parents had already tried their best on these people, and to have some respect in this time of mourning.

    I worry alot about my grandparents. My MIL is quite reasonable and still speaks to me. She also babysits my 4 year old once a week. I always ask him what she talks about and he tells me she talks about "Jehovah and Jesus in heaven" all day. Or how she does not like Christmas and Santa isn't really. I do worry what sort of affect it will have on him. I can't imagine he will ever be a JW, but don't think it is good for him to see such conflicting viewpoints between family.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    I would never let5 my kids be alone with my mum. She has already told them that they should love Jehovah more than their parents, and that loyalty to him should be greater than to us. Silly bitch!!!!

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    TOTH, it is amazing. She doesn't present herself as an "uber" JW, but I guess when it comes to her grandkids, she will recruit behind the parents' backs.

    Mrs. Jones, there's some real wisdom at the end of your comment: "I don't put anything pass them now."

    Thanks for participating, jennylizzy55.

    jwfacts, I think they feel that funerals are one of their highest priorities for recruiting efforts. It's gotta be in the training about death being a very unnatural thing when we were created to live forever.

    cantleave, I don't have kids. But I feel the same- they will always recruit.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Good Morning OTWO..

    Boundaries don`t apply to JW`s..Only the outside world..

    Get in the way of a JW`s right to preach to your children or at inappropriate occasions..

    And..

    They will become outrageously offended..

    They`re Jehovah`s Witness`s!..Your supposed to listen,not talk..

    ....................... ...OUTLAW

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    " Wow Mrsjones5...How did it turn out?"

    My parents became verbally abusive so I stopped talking to them and we came out to California anyway thinking that we didn't have a stable place to stay and we would have to bunk with friends. Soon after we got here, my parents called asking where were we cuz the apartment was waiting for us.

  • outsmartthesystem
    outsmartthesystem

    It will never change. JWs feel like they are saving lives......even by planting a seed in the brain of a little one. conversely, out of fear of being "blood guilty" they are afraid NOT to overstep their bounds. When witnesses go to sleep at night.....they don't fret about whether or not they over stepped their bounds or whether they were tactful or respectful. All they worry about is ........did they give a good witness when they had the opportunity? Remember.....no opportunity is a bad opportunity. If they are given the opportunity to speak and they don't do so.....that may have been the one and only "witness" that person was to receive in his/her life (even if it is a child). If they pass up on an oppurtunity to witness and that person dies at argmageddon.........then they may be blood guilty

    The control/fear of this group is amazing

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