BILL BOWEN R U THERE? (page 2)

MoeJoJoJo

plm, I know that after exiting the org its hard to regain trust in people in general but not everyone is a fraud.
You can read Bill's story at the silentlambs website. He has endured alot for the sake of others.

waiting

howdy plm,

I'm the only poster on this entire f**king board who HASENT deceived anyone about anything.

One sign of a weak argument is generalizations, particularily ones which are unprovable. To my knowledge - I've never deceived anyone here about anything. What would be the good - my older sister, Patio posts here - and she'd catch me. That's what older sisters do.

As for Bill Bowen? Him - and his entire family - have put a lot on the line for a lot of strangers. Could he be fraudulent? Sure - but nothing has come to the fore. He plays with the big guys, such as Randy Watters, AlanF, Maximus, and a host of people I'm not privy to - as I'm not a big guy. I'm assuming with all the effort they put into their anti-WTBTS work - they would have checked him out, and they have better tools than us to do just that.

However, I am listed on his site, along with my daughter. The concept of helping molestation victims and to get the WTBTS to change their church laws is valid - and necessary.

If you don't believe him or his site.....why don't you do your homework - and prove it with facts? Just slammin' him doesn't accomplish anything - and it certainly doesn't prove anything.

waiting

mommy

Plm,
I can understand your frustration of finding out those you thought to be a certain way, are indeed not that way. I myself went ballistic on Unclebruce due to a misunderstanding to one of his posts. At that point I began to question all that I had met here, and that isn't a fun place to be is it? I hope that you can get over this hump, and just try to not give everything to this place, there are too many here who are willing to deceive. Best advice I can give you there, from someone who has been in your shoes

Now, on to Bill Bowen. You said you had a legitimate question about him, what is it? I thought Gopher had already answered your intial question, do you have more? Bill Bowen will answer you via email, or here if he is aware of this thread. I have seen him do that in the past, he does not always catch all of the posts though, so you may need to make him aware of it via email.

I hope you have a good evening
wendy
edited(darn typos)

anewperson

What questions do you have? Post them.

OUTLAW

Hey plmkrzy,chill girl,your starting to get "board fever."(LOL)Every one gets it,no big deal.I`m not Bill,I`m OUTLAW,nobodys going to mistake me for anyone else,you can put money on it.(LOL)larc,waiting tee-jay,valatine,St.Satan ect..ect,these are my board buds.As individual as a snowflake,you just have to learn to recognise them.Bill from Silent Lambs is a good man.We have talked on this board a few times.He cares...OUTLAW

refiners fire

Palm.
Outlaw is correct. Youre getting "Board fever"!
Ive had it myself.
Chill.
Course, you have the right to say you think Bill smells bad, though I dont agree myself.
I think hes a moral crusader and I avoid people like that myself, but theres little reason to think the man anything other than a believer in his crusade.
I would imagine the Org hasnt touched him because theyre shit scared of him.
Which is good news.
On second thoughts...go Billy!!

I dont agree with that person who said YOU were a fake.
Personally, I reckon youre okay.

plmkrzy

mommy

Plm,
[I can understand your frustration of finding out those you thought to be a certain way, are indeed not that way. I myself went ballistic on Unclebruce due to a misunderstanding to one of his posts.]

Maybe that's all it is, I'm going a little ballistic. I don't feel guilty though not at all. I have such a deep seeded hate for deceit and deceitful people when I find out I've been jerked around by the very people who claim to feel the same as I do and after being stupid enough to talk about very personal things to and 'online' no less maybe it call's for going a little ballistic.

I obviously have a problem with anewperson and who ever else or how ever many else he/she happens to be. There's no way of knowing.
Accusing every one of being fake may have been a bit of an exaggeration on my part, Obviously I would not think that unless I believed that I was the only person surfing the inernet to visit this forum.
It has been building up and the right button was pushed at the right time.
If I knew who was real I would be more then happy to apologize and sincerely, not just a surface apology. Since you have at least had enough insight to reply with an opinion that appears to be more real I will just assume you are real and offer an apology to you, one real person to another. That for me is definitely ground breaking. Thank you for not being a bitch. I do apologize for thinking you are not real or sincere.

I do think it's a better idea to just go right to the source from now on though and that's what I will be doing.

I am almost in the middle of CofC. It is a good read. I want to keep my opinions to myself until I can have time to finish it. But even though I'm only half way through it,almost, it has started a whole new direction of thinking for me to explore. The bad expierences I have read in this forum and my own expierences are or seem silly in comparrison. I know there all not, but I still haven't found anything, so far, in his writing that tells me this man is bitter and full of hatred. But then i'm not done reading yet.
I was so pissed at this site I was going to completely erase all of it from my computer and forget the address. I went to a movie. Saw a darn good movie and came home in a better mood and decided to give one more shot at just weeding through the BS that runs ramped and just stick with reading poster's and only posters who seem real.
Don't know if you will read this or not but in case you do I do think you are probably one of the real ones.

My name is Jan and most of anything personal I have written in this forum can be verified by anyone who wants to ck.

mommy

Jan,
You almost had me in tears there for a sec. As I said, I have been there, maybe that is why I recognized it in your post. This internet thingy is way cool, yet it can cause us a handful of problems as well. I am fairly new to the internet(Dec 2000) and this site is the first one I found when I jumped online. It was really small and cosy when I first got here, and some even said it was too slow if you can imagine that. We had maybe 5 threads a day and if a newbie came we all greeted with earnest *fresh meat* Actually Waiting handed out the coffee and asked them to bring Krispy Kremes. If this person was only here to hurt we all usually picked up on it and they soon left knowing this wasn't the place for that.

Since that time we have G-R-O-W-N which in itself is wondeful, imagine how many are able to find a place to ease thier pain and discuss issues that only an ex-dub will understand. Yet with this there is a greater risk of letting the imposters infiltrate. This is a perfect place for a very sick individual to "get their rocks off" I was leary for quite some time after I had a few run ins with certain sickos. I thought I had grown cynical, my worst fear lol But I realized I had just grown. I found that I had to reveal myself slowly to others here and trust is not something you can give to a computer screen, and type written words.

There are many here who are "real" and kind hearted, great friends, and trustworthy. It will take you time to sort through the many here and find who they are. My email is open and you can write me anytime, I will respect your privacy and hope to get to know you a bit better. I am not online as much as before. And in a few weeks, when my baby boy arrives, I am sure you will never see me But there is a real life outside this forum and I would be happy to give you my number as well.

As far as reading COC you are braver than I, I am too scared to read it. There are so many emotions we have dealing with the org, and I am afraid the book will bring out my anger mode, pssst we don't want that Good luck with finishing it, and if you need to, take a break from reading it and come back in a few days, weeks, months. Taking the book and the forum on at the same time is liable to push anyone over the edge. Way too much info and pain to bear.

I am glad you had a good night. And the best thing to do when upset here is turn it off. Walk away, take deep breaths, but do try to come back to resolve what needs to be. The unsettled feeling can't be a good one, and if you leave in anger you carry it with you. ((((hugs)))
wendy

plmkrzy

refiners fire
and
OUTLAW

Thanks guys
your probably right.

DazedAndConfused

plm, with Bill it seems to be the same problem that the Borg had with Micheal Jackson in the mid-80's. He was so much in the limelight that for them to touch him would have brought way too much scrutiny. We all know they cannot afford that. Bill has been very open, more than the Borg wants, and he has been publicised.....thus making any action on their part "imprudent at this time" if you get my drift. The Borg has control over many but if they become "public property" so to speak.....it would be unwise for them to publicly do anything that they have preached against in their public site. Namely, by disfellowshipping...thus, shunning. It is a power-play on the Borg's part. They hate it, of course, but what can they do but to cowtow to someone that is in the public eye. Bad situation for them considering that they are the masters of manipulation. I bet it just burst's their shorts into flames.

BILL BOWEN R U THERE?

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