by still thinking 778 Replies latest jw friends
Here is my experience from last night...tell me what you honestly think...*without telling me I am crazy please*
I don't think you're crazy from that... I have felt that before too. The certainty is similar to being certain that you are hearing something from Christ and not yourself, but that could just be the similarity of being certain; of knowing. The knowing feeling is very similar.
Peace,
tammy
I know I'm harping on it now, but this is what is really bothering me about believers right now - the total lack of self-examination. And I'm seeing it over and over again.Palm, do you think that an individual believer might have previously done immense self-examination on some of the questions you ask? That this might be why you sometimes get an answer so quickly?
Peace,
tammy
le w
would any christian consider puttting the bible over god as a form of idle worship?
browsing through this topic I found some interesting nuggets of wisdom. my own thoughts are that if God can enable one to escape fr om I and the tyranny of only focusing on one person as though all thoughts and feelings stem from the I ( when he only reflects me ), then I would support anyone saying they believe in God (although God can become an I . I think jehovahs witnesses focus on I all the time. Their conception of God is more to do with me and this is what results in sterility imo. Whereas putting "genetics and environment" (taking this from one of your posts on this thread, stillthinking) in an interface force one to constantly dismantle solely I and escape from its tyranny.
and stillthinking, you are definitely right in suggesting that there is more - there will always be more
I cant believe you guys are still giving some of these people your time.
"Well i just dont 'feel' the theory of gravity is right....... my friend told me its not true and it doesnt feel right to me."
Are you willing to read a physics book on it or see some evidence....? We have plenty you know?
"Well I just dont 'feel' that the THEORY of gravity is real, I mean afterall ...lol.... they call it a theory still !"
Erm yeah... theory in science has a different meaning.
"Hmmm...whatever."
No...it actually does.... it means something else to what you think it means.... here ill show you if....
"Well I dont 'feel' like its true, afterall I have never seen this 'GRAVITY' and scientists admit that there is NO actual evidence, just a THEORY based on observation!"
The irony is, I have never ever, ever heard a christian deny gravity. Why? If they are so keen for evidence and no gaps in a theory, how do any of them garner the faith to get on a plane.... or up on those cloudy soap boxes, oh wait gravity doent contradict their religion to pieces !
The deeper irony is THERE IS MORE EVIDENCE for evolution than there is for gravity. IF these people you are talking to got off their flabby arses and went to a museum THEY WOULD SEE a human ancestor right in front of them, or a fossil from millions of years ago. They would go to a library and get a book on one of the myriads of topics and discussions we cover here..... THEY DONT WANT TO , THEY DONT WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWERS !
They NEVER will go to a library or a museum.... they DONT WANT to know. In the same circumstance we picked up the book and dropped a few coins into the museum money box and found ourselves ticking the 'Heathen' box at the polling station and swearing our loyalty to such crusaders of truth, justice, wisdom and power...as Hitchens, Dawkins, Hawking and alike.
Use your time on people that come here fresh faced and keen to know the truth. In my humble but harsh opinion, I think you are waisting your time trying to convince people that get offered the evidence, say nothing then days later repeat the question.... this cycle has continued for months. Either they are waisiting your time on purpose, suffering a pathology of memory loss confusion paranoia and delirium or ignorant beyond belief
.....or merely stuck in their way...for their way tells themeverlasting life / heaven / ressurection / no pain awaits, our way promises a whole heap questions and a whole heap of nothing when you die, (just like the animals and human ancestors in their way).....
Its a shame, they just dont see the beauty in the preciousness of life and the true value of time ... hence perhaps... leave them to it.
Snare x
P.s. Dont waist your life dissecting sentances on this forum, highliting them and answering them with verses you yourselves admit are not all wholly written by god. It may make you feel better inside, but its temporary and you are only doing all this mental gymnastic work for self appeasment. Go outside, enjoy the sunshine or the rain. Even if you insist in believing that you are right and we are wrong, go enjoy your life (within your chosen intepretations parameters).... and dont throw away another minute....just in case this is all there is.
Even if you insist in believing that you are right and we are wrong,
I have read nothing on JWN that confirms belief in the wrongness of atheism. You are drawing conclusions snare. It is logic that you argue. If believers insist on believing in God, they therefore are insisting they are right and you are wrong. Isn't that simplifying it unfairly?
Let's please just say that we have found something that you have not found.
I do not believe that it is wrong that you have not found what I have found.
It looks like you are doing quite well actually. Good for you!
The funny thing is you keep saying read, read, read. But you did not discover and publish what you ask us to read. You heard it from somebody else. We also have heard from somebody else the things about The Christ. OK?
Still Thinking:
Actually I have no idea how a witch would dress or wear make-up. But I will Google Witch images and see if there is something there that might have tipped me off.
Why would you automatically conclude that it was not God (Holy Spirit) speaking?
Do you believe that God is incapable of communicating with believers...or just that God did not communicate with me.
excuse the blank post - I cann't even edit it - gremlins
N.Drew
I want to take issue with these statements of yours if you don't mind
Let's please just say that we have found something that you have not found. I do not believe that it is wrong that you have not found what I have found. |
Most of us have been believers - so we have found what you have found. It is just that atheists are prepared to lose what they had found and gone on to find other things. As jesus said seek and you will find. He didn't say seek find and keep - at least I don't think he did - but if I remember correctly he did say keep on seeking (wibble)
But I appreciate that you are responding to snares and racket
Most of us have been believers - so we have found what you have found.
I disagree.
I have found that God is my Father. I have complete trust that God can not die. Once a Father, always a Father. So it is my opinion that you have NOT found what I have found.
It is just that atheists are prepared to lose what they had found and gone on to find other things
I think a spiritual father can not be lost.
