An Elder's honest opinion...saw this on another site...thoughts?

by MsGrowingGirl20 45 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Violia
    Violia

    To the elder who wrote this piece of wts propaganda,

    pardon so many of the posters for not having a college education.

    pardon all of us who have our guts ripped out by the wts, who have lost all our family and friends -we aren't hiding in the KH and posting on websites telling everyone how to be a PROPER XJWS.

    for all you wrote, basically I say, P** off unless you plan on Manning up and walking in our shoes. Yes a lot of us are upset , some of us have had horrible things happen to us. We might seem crazy to you but if your granddaughter is molested by an elder and it is covered over- come back and tell us how you feel then. Or your wife raped and the rapist is still an elder, tell us how you feel.. Otherwise, don't preach to me, Pharisee.

    and I don't care if my grammar is not good or I use too many comas, take a flying leap.

    do you care that children die from no blood?

  • poopsiecakes
    poopsiecakes

    I do agree with a lot of what this person is saying, seems to me like the basis for a good religion thats been hi-jacked by an evil slave

    Oh Nambo. Sweet, naive, well-meaning Nambo. Do you know how many of us wanted desperately to believe this?

  • Nambo
    Nambo

    Yes I know poopsiecakes, and thankyou I consule myself with Jesus instruction that you have to be like a child to get into his kingdom.

  • tresdecu
    tresdecu

    Thanks for posting! I enjoyed reading his thoughts. He's at his personal stage of waking up. I personally like to cut people some slack, and not be too harsh. Some of what he said may come from years of being a dub-elder. I'm sure we've all said things that could come off as haughty and judgemental.

    TD

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises

    He claims that he wants to be anonymous, yet he gives out enough information that would identify him if you were in his circuit.

    Yes, he comes across with the air of superiority that many elders hold, but considering he's not out yet, I'd give him some slack. He's yet to learn the humility of realising that he ain't all that.

  • Ding
    Ding

    How is it "the truth" if they're wrong when they claim to speak exclusively for Jehovah?

    The "faithful and discreet slave" concept is at the heart of the WT religion.

    If that isn't true, then the whole claim of the organization falls apart.

    Also, who is to decide what XJWs can and can't believe, whether orthodox Protestant Christianity, Roman Catholicism, agnosticism, atheism, or whatever else they may want to believe and promote?

    Presumably "shadow elder" would never embrace any of those alternatives, but many XJWs do.

  • ldrnomo
    ldrnomo

    If he's waiting for the holy spirit to correct things, he's got a long wait, maybe he thinks he's going to live forever.

  • ssn587
    ssn587

    In away, being a life long adherent of the Wt, is like a life long education in mythology and the ever changing mind of the gods of the Wt cult. How anyone could actually believe they are "in the truth" when that truth changes at the whims of the Gb is beyond me. How i fell for that claptrap makes me mad at myself too. However we all have opinions and we should feel and be free to express whether or not we agree with what someone else's opinions are. I agree his mind is waking up and sooner (hopefully) he will realize he is in between a rock and a hard place the rock of go along or get punished of the GB or the hard place of getting free of the tyranny of the Gb. Hopefully he will become more fully awakened and leave that cesspool of a cult.

  • lumper
    lumper

    A bent nail can never truly be straightened. The WTBTS is not, nor ever has been. the "truth". It is a bent, rusty nail seething with the infection of self- righteousness and legalism. It is run by small-minded men who, to keep their power, seek to manipulate the gullible masses.

  • panhandlegirl
    panhandlegirl

    or all you wrote, basically I say, P** off unless you plan on Manning up and walking in our shoes. Yes a lot of us are upset , some of us have had horrible things happen to us. We might seem crazy to you but if your g t randdaughter is molested by an elder and it is covered over- come back and tell us how you feel then. Or your wife raped and the rapist is still an elder, tell us how you feel.. Otherwise, don't preach to me, Pharisee.

    and I don't care if my grammar is not good or I use too many comas, take a flying leap

    Violia, I agree with your sentiments. I am sorry you have suffered so much from the actions of those in the org. I also do not have much respect for someone who has not “manned up” to his convictions and then attempts to advise those of us who have “manned up” (at great cost to ourselves) on how we should conduct ourselves. The more I have considered his article, the more offended I have felt. My opinion of him is that he is a pompous a__! I understand the each of us has the right to express our opinion, but if you put your opinion out there, others have the right to voice a rebuttal.

    Here are a few of the things I found offensive.

    The author, “Shadow Elder” presents his “bona fides.” He is an active Jehovah’s Witness who lives “just outside of New York City…right next to the Brooklyn Bethel headquarters.” What does this mean and why is it relevant to his “bona fides?” Does living “right next door to the Brooklyn Bethel headquarters” convey some special knowledge or understanding, through osmosis perhaps, greater than that of Jehovah’s Witness who are far removed by distance i.e. live in Wichita, Kansas or Seattle, Washington? Is the “Holy Spirit” not able to convey this knowledge and/or understanding beyond the NE corridor of the USA? “

    “If you want to know what “average Jehovah’s Witnesses are thinking, New York and New England would be a good place to start.” What are you saying? Should we conclude that Jehovah’s Witness in others parts of the USA are not “average” or do they not think?

    The author tells us that he is in his mid-fifties, married, has five adult sons, owns his own home and drives an old car with four doors (uck) that is perfect for using in field service activity. He’s getting by on his salary but he is not rich. Why is this relevant to the discussion? Does owning a home and having children add to an individual Jehovah’s Witness’ credibility, and if it does, why is this so? Does not being single and childless give a JW more time to devote to serving Jehovah and the WBTS. Is a person renting a home or apartment somehow less credible than one who owns his own home? I never knew these were prerequisites for credibility in judging the pros and cons of internet web sites. Jesus did not have children or own a home. Does this detract from his credibility?

    Mr. Shadow Elder next tells us that he and his parents have been long life faithful witnesses, his father “professed to be of the anointed class” but his mother did not. He himself has held a variety of positions of authority in the congregation.

    Is this supposed to impress. It does not impress me! Perhaps I am being petty, but the tone of his article is pompous and condensending. As for his being in a

    crisis of conscious, we've been there, done that!

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