Who is keeping watch over my soul, that I should be submissive to him?

by irondork 21 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • irondork
    irondork

    And what man or men am I supposed to be obedient to?

    And who is rendering accounts without talking to me first?

    Go ahead! Say "governing body". Go ahead... I dare you!

    Hebrews 13:17 - Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU.

    Actually, my question is genuine. Who is this scripture refering to? If Jesus is our sole Head and holy spirit is our teacher, who are these other people that seem to be our additional mediators?
  • designs
    designs

    Reverend Rutherford and don't you forget it!

  • tootired2care
    tootired2care

    I'll answer your question with a question. Given the fact that there are thousands of Christian denominations out there, how could anyone ever truly know? It seems that the burden is on the "high command" to clear all of this confusion up.

  • Jack C.
    Jack C.

    The who watching over your soul is you; yourself. Never let any other entity claim that power. if it does don't relinquish it.

    Jack

  • anezthy
    anezthy

    @designs...... I love your answer. So true... so very true. Let's go for a glass of wine at Beth Sarim. My treat.

  • Greybeard
    Greybeard

    Who do you think it is? The elders at the Kingdom Hall? If that is what you think them obey them. I have obeyed them and the GB for amost 50 years and where did it get me? Where did it get you? I am tired of the boy who cries wolf. The generation change was a total joke. I was not supposed to grow this old... You know the story.

    So who are these ones "watching over our souls"? Back then in Pauls day that would have been easy to answer right? They were not called Jehovah's Witnesses we know that for sure. They were called "Christians" and "The Way". Today we have all kinds of different sects of Chritianity. Do any of them have 100% truth? That is impossible. so what percentage of truth do we expect? Honestly I do not think there is any "true" religion out there that has a patent on "the truth". JW's think they do but they have become known as false prophets world wide.

    I think what you are asking is "who has the truth"/ "where are these people"? At Luke 18:18 Jesus said, "when the son of man comes, will he find the faith on earth?" Why did he ask this question? Honestly, I don't think he will find it like it was back then in the first century. You might find bits and pieces here and there... I believe there are those who have more truth than others. Read your bible and pray for holy spirit and try to find those you can agree with. Then if there are ones taking the lead you could follow them. Personally I don't want to take the chance... I don't trust men these days.... This is a different time is it not? I chose to follow my one leader Christ, he is my only leader.

    1 John 2:27, " And as for YOU , the anointing that YOU received from him remains in YOU , and YOU do not need anyone to be teaching YOU ; but, as the anointing from him is teaching YOU about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught YOU , remain in union with him." (NWT)

    I hope that helps some,

    Your brother in Christ,

    Greybeard

    jwstruggle.com

  • mP
    mP

    the idea of a soul is myth. we are just elaborate chemical machines, we do not have a spiritual component that flies away when we die. spirit does not exist.

  • irondork
    irondork

    Thankyou, Greybeard, for your very thoughtful answer. Pauls words to the Hebrews in this scripture do not necessarily have a modern day apllication, as I have been taught to understand. Just like the "faithful and discreet slave" parable, huh?

    I appreciate your personal attention.

  • LouBelle
    LouBelle

    Since I have become an athiest and believe that all these religious books/texts/sayings are manufactured to keep people in check. If you believe you are being watched over, even by some "supreme god that is real" then it is less likely that you are giong to run a mock or think for yourself. You will pay bag ceasers things to ceaser (good lil snippit the governments put in there) and god's things to god, so you'll be a good lil boy/girl and do what you are told.

    **end of mini rant**

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    irondork:

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I don't see any proof that anybody is keeping watch over my soul. This would also imply that these persons care about ME in some fashion. My fleshly father cares about me but he certainly isn't keeping watch over my soul.

    So, I don't see any such person or persons who fit this description.

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