The Special Talk.....

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  • blondie
    blondie

    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/earthquakes.php

    The frequency of major earthquakes has increased about 20 times what it was on an average during the two thousand years before 1914." Survival into a New Earth (1984) p.23

    Not until 2002 (and only after information highlighting the Watchtower's misleading use of figures became readily accessible on the internet) did the Watchtower finally cNot until 2002 (and only after information highlighting the Watchtower's misleading use of figures became readily accessible on the internet) did the Watchtower finally conceded that its earthquake claims were wrong.

    "Some say that any reports of an increase in the number of earthquakes are simply due to advances in technology, which enable more seismic events to be detected. The U.S. National Earthquake Information Center reports that earthquakes of 7.0 magnitude and greater remained "fairly constant" throughout the 20th century. Note, though, that the fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy does not require an increase in the number or power of earthquakes.All Jesus said was that there would be great earthquakes in one place after another. Furthermore, he stated that these events would mark the "beginning of pangs of distress." (Matthew 24:8) Distress is measured, not by the number of earthquakes or how they rate on the Richter scale, but by the effect that they have upon people." Awake! 2002 March 22 p.9

    This still verges on being deceptive for a number of reasons. Firstly, note how it says seismologists state that earthquakes have been quite consistent during the 20th Century. Seismologists state is that it has been fairly constant over thousands or even millions of years. By using the term 20th Century, the impression can still be held by uniformed Witness members that the 20th Century was more prone to earthquakes than those that preceded it.

    This article and the Watchtower in general try to indicate that the effect on people today is worse than in previous centuries. This is hardly so. In 1737 there was a tsunami in the same area as the Asian Tsunami on December 26, 2004. The 1737 tsunami killed as many people as the 2004 one. Who do you think was more affected, the people in 1737 or in 2004? In 2004, within hours doctors were flown in with medicine to relieve the pain of the injured, heavy equipment was delivered to help clear the destructive mess and a global campaign of donations means the displaced people could look forward to newly built houses and infrastructure. Compare this to 1737 when hundreds of thousands of people were left to die and fend for themselves, whilst the rest of the world was largely unaware that anything had even happened.

    A more recent article has toned down comments regarding earthquakes even further.

    "WHAT IS A COMMON OBJECTION? We are not experiencing more earthquakes; because of modern technology, we are just more aware of them than people were in the past.
    IS THAT OBJECTION VALID? Consider this fact: The Bible does not emphasize the number of earthquakes during the last days. However, it does say that great earthquakes will occur in one place after another, making them one of the notable features of this momentous period of history.
    WHAT DO YOU THINK? Are we seeing great earthquakes, just as the Bible foretold? Earthquakes alone may not seem to be conclusive evidence that we are living in the last days. Yet, they are only one prophecy that is being fulfilled." Watchtower 2011 May 1 p.4

    (Emphasis added)

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    An announcement you are not going to hear:

    Armageddon happened, and now we are on the other side. Welcome to the Age of Aquarius.

  • outsmartthesystem
    outsmartthesystem

    Ya know.....with witnesses getting antsy...it would not surprise me at all if an announcement was eventually made indicating that the Great Tribulation has begun.....only.....invisibly.....and it could very well last for an entire overlapping generation

    That oughta rev up the rank and file for more increased work

  • Sapphy
    Sapphy

    Cedars - it was a bit different to that, your loved ones should have been in a good mood with you!

    The talk bit about inactive ones was, and I'm quoting; "inactive ones are still part of our family and we still love them and Jehovah still loves them".

    I though that 'inactive ones who still believe' are being set up for some love bombing.

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    I thought the same about being set up for the love-bombing.

    Talk was,

    Engender fear. The sky is falling. Doom soon. (Speaker noted that it was only 2 years until 2014. Irritatingly, he also went on about how earthquakes had increased in these last days. Grrr!) Urgent for backsliders to gallop back into the safety of active involvement in the congo. God loves you; hurry back.

    Letter was read about the reduced page magazines. Many in the congo already knew in advance. Evidently, someone had leaked it. How on earth could that have happened?

  • cedars
    cedars

    Different speakers will probably have focused more on different parts of the outline. I suppose cultural differences will play their part. I live in a part of the world where community is everything, and it's very much "one for all, all for one". I doubt my congregation could be persuaded to genuinely embrace those who aren't giving 100% even if the Society told them to. The feeling would be "why should we treat them as equals when they're not giving of themselves equally?"

    It would be interesting to know exactly what was said from my local platform by way of comparison, but I can only draw conclusions from the way Mrs Cedars and I were treated when the family came home. The more expressive of them was showing distinct disapproval that we'd stayed behind, and had "a face like a slapped arse" as we'd say back in the UK.

    Cedars

  • looky
    looky

    i left about 13 yr ago they were banging on about "there will be earthquakes in one place after another" it was my dads favourite doom message to me...and how kids wont respect their parents....and the loving faded inactive ones was always said back then too its all rehash they have nothing new....they even have a small slip of paper with common responses from householders and a small script on how to answer them! i saw this at my parents place ...totally robotic and they cant see it ....whilst i await my lovebombing although i didnt get a memorial invite this yr im left wondering Why didnt my mother go to the memorial? she claims she was sick but still attended work!! but i dont hold my breathe it takes time to finally come away and i dont think she would stand up against my dad

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    Well of course there's not anything new. The theme of this talk--as probably most of US here on JWN know, but just as probably most JWs do NOT know--was the theme of an Awake! magazine 44 years ago:

    It's not

  • Poztate
    Poztate

    For those who haven't seen it. I found it interesting that about 1/3 of the talk was devoted to the inactives,faders and hangers on.

    This might be the last area they can scrape up "new followers" from. That and the little 10 year olds getting baptised.

    The internet seems to have helped to kill the growth in most tech countries.

    IS IT LATER THAN YOU THINK?

    “TELL US, WHEN WILL THESE THINGS BE?” (4 min.)

    Recently, we commemorated the death of Jesus, thereby honoring him and Jehovah God

    We were reminded of their overwhelming love for us even in our present sinful state (Ro 5:8; 1Jo 4:9)

    Each passing year that we proclaim the death of the Lord by means of observing the Memorial brings us closer

    to the end of this system of things (1Co 11:26 )

    Jesus’ gripping prophecy found at Mark 13:1-4 has long been a subject of great interest and speculation [Read]

    Jesus gave his disciples a composite sign identifying the last days of Satan’s wicked system of things [Read

    Mark 13:8]

    This prophecy has a two-fold fulfillment—in the first century and in our day

    Is Mark 13:8 being fulfilled? What do the facts show? Are we really in the last days? Is it later than you think?

    COMPOSITE SIGN OF THE LAST DAYS (11 min.)

    Let us examine five specific features identified by Jesus

    (1) “Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom” ( w08 5/15 13-14 par. 7)

    Since 1914 more than 100 million lives have been lost in wars!

    (2) “There will be earthquakes in one place after another” ( w11 5/1 4)

    (3) “There will be food shortages” ( w11 5/1 5)

    (4) “Therewill be . . . in one place afteranother pestilences” (Lu 21:11 ; w11 5/1 6)

    (5) There is “the increasing of lawlessness” (Mt 24:12)

    Lawlessness is a blatant disregard for God’s laws and principles; increasingly, many consider such sins as

    adultery and homosexuality to be acceptable (Isa 5:20 ; w02 3/1 9 par. 8)

    We have touched on just five features of the composite sign

    What do you think? Are we really living in the last days?

    Never before have these features been as prominent as they are now

    The facts prove that it is much later than most people think!

    RETURN NOW, AND ACTIVELY SERVE THE SHEPHERD OF OUR SOULS (15 min.)

    We do not know how long Jehovah will offer reconciliation (2Co 5:18 -20; w98 12/15 17-18 pars. 9-11)

    We do know that destruction of the wicked is soon to come [Read 2 Peter 3:11 , 12]

    We do well to ask ourselves, ‘Do I demonstrate that I really believe that “the time left is reduced”?’

    (1Co 7:29 -31)

    Jehovah invites people from all walks of life to take in life-giving knowledge from the Bible (Re 22:17 )

    Taking in such knowledge and acting in harmony with it can lead to everlasting life in Paradise on earth

    Does that prospect appeal to you?

    It is urgent that you act without delay

    Jehovah’s Witnesses would be pleased to assist you in learning how you can bring your life into

    harmony with God’s will

    Jehovah also wants his inactive sheep to come back into his loving everlasting arms (De 33:27; La 3:40 )

    If you were once an active servant of Jehovah, please take to heart the words of 1 Peter 2:25 [Read] ( jr 130

    par. 5)

    That you have made the effort to be here is evidence that you have not forgotten your Shepherd and his

    commandments [Read Psalm 119:176]

    There are a number of reasons why individuals become inactive ( w08 11/15 13-15 pars. 5-13)

    Whatever your reason, we entreat you to accept the necessary assistance so that you can again actively

    serve our loving Shepherd ( jr 72-76 pars. 13-16; 152-153 pars. 22-25)

    Allow God’sWord and our Christian publications to help you gain spiritual strength (Ps 119:105)

    You will receive the support of Jehovah’s loving congregation (1Pe 5:2; w08 11/15 16 pars. 19-22)

    In the past, prophets provided needed reminders to God’s people and warned them of God’s coming judgments

    (Am 3:7)

    Today, Jehovah uses his anointed servants to remind even the righteous that it is later than most think

    (Eze 3:21)

    These servants have proved to be immovable, like iron pillars in a fortified city (Jer 1:17 -19)

    The anointed have their ‘hips girded up’; they allow God’s Word to strengthen them to fulfill their commission

    Make it your aim to show similar zeal and to support them

    It is vital that we “pay more than the usual attention to the things heard by us” (Heb 2:1; Lu 21:34-36)

    Those who ignored warnings of impending destruction in the past soon realized that it was later than they

    thought

    Today, an even more urgent warning is being sounded, with overwhelming evidence that Armageddon is near

    Millions turn a deaf ear, but time is running out

    It is later than they think! Is it later than you realize?

    Think deeply about your heavenly Father; how late do you suppose he would say it is?

    We entreat you to find safety in the warm embrace of Jehovah, the Great Shepherd! (Isa 40:11)

    (Adhere closely to the outlined material, and observe the indicated timing of each section. Not all cited texts

    need to be read or commented on. See MinistrySchool, pp. 52-54, 116-119)

    No. 181-E—page 2 TO BE COVERED IN 30 MINUTES

    ? 2011Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania All Rights Reserved

  • Poztate
    Poztate
    5) There is “the increasing of lawlessness” (Mt 24:12)
    Lawlessness is a blatant disregard for God’s laws and principles; increasingly, many consider such sins as
    adultery and homosexuality to be acceptable (Isa 5:20; w02 3/1 9 par. 8)

    These were the best examples they could give

    How about murder,robberys, violent attacks against women and children..etc

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