We grow old and die ... that is dysfunctional. Has happened since the beginning of time, to every animal and every human. I can't think of anything more natural.
Fernando says we are "all" dysfunctional
by Phizzy 27 Replies latest watchtower bible
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sabastious
We grow old and die ... that is dysfunctional.
According to Michio Kaku aging is something that intelligence eventually conquers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pk_UxV6jkc
God conquers human death through humanity learning how to conquer death. He didn't have an instant answer to human immortality from the start. Humans had to progress through their history for people like Michio Kaku to be born and help discover how to conquer the problem of a cell division limit. No one is waiting for anything, all is going according to plan.
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Chariklo
We grow old and die ... that is dysfunctional.
Well, no, Perry, it isn't disfunctional at all. It's entirely natural. We are all born of the Earth and the natural process is that our bodies return to it when we die. Far from being disfunctional, it is the natural way in which Earth functions, part of the overall balance and harmony of things.
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mrsjones5
Who is this Frenando dude? And why should anyone care what he thinks? And who, on this big blue marble, isn't dysfunctional?
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panhandlegirl
We are all born of the Earth and the natural process is that our bodies return to it when we die.
I am beginning to think that is the case. I know God likes to recycle and I am afarid we may just be recycled.All I can say is: whatever happens, happens. I had no contol over my birth and I don't think I will have any control over what happens after I die. I will just be the best I can be now.
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Fernando
mrsjones5 asked: "Who is this Frenando dude?"
The answer is nobody really. No different from anyone else on planet earth (from God's perspective at least). Equally in need of God's very generous redemptive arrangements. Equally in need of learning and practicing humility and modesty.
May I add a few thoughts on dysfunction?
If one accepts an expanded definition or understanding of "sin" as "dysfunction" rather than purely "wrongdoing" it would seem we have a better context for understanding society and how it can be improved.
This is something far beyond the capabilities of religion/ists, who focus mainly on "wrongdoing" and CONTROLLING it by an endless list of RULES and MORAL CODES. This is inane externalism (aka whitewashing graves, gnat straining), legalism and moralism. As Ray Franz said it leads to a "morass of inconsistencies" and is a "denial of Christian faith".
As an example of dysfunction, in Australia we now have an almost 90% chance of getting AND dying from Chronic Disease. This derives from systemic dysfunction in our so called "Healthcare" system (which is actually largely a symptom focussed "SickCare" system which has been incorrectly labelled).
What about dysfunction in the workplace and business? Enron? Bear Stearns? Lehman Brothers?
As the book "Hacking Work: Breaking Stupid Rules for Smart Results" says: "It would be so much easier to do great work if not for lingering bureaucracies, outdated technologies, and deeply irrational rules and procedures. These things are killing us. Frustrating? Hell, yes. But take heart-there's an army of heroes coming to the rescue. Today's top performers are taking matters into their own hands: bypassing sacred structures, using forbidden tools, and ignoring silly corporate edicts."
I imagine any good psychologist well versed in CBT (Cognitive Behaviour Therapy) will tell you that without therapy (remaining unchallenged) most of us exhibit deeply irrational thinking on a daily basis, and are oblivious of this. Since this impacts our behaviour and consequent outcomes, many problems we have in life, family, work, business and politics are from this very source. Extreme examples are addiction, violence, road rage, murder, rape, incest, and suicide bombers. Lesser examples may be (heated) arguments and (out of control) conflict with others including our life partner. And what about the sometimes embarrassing antics of politicians in parliament (when adults behave like spoilt kids)? What about that deeply annoying person who (like Fernando ) refuses to "wake up to himself"?. Would psychologists call this dysfunction?
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sabastious
I imagine any good psychologist well versed in CBT (Cognitive Behaviour Therapy) will tell you that without therapy (remaining unchallenged) most of us exhibit deeply irrational thinking on a daily basis, and are oblivious of this.
Very true! All people could use talk therapy, but most people require it.
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Chariklo
We are all born of the Earth and the natural process is that our bodies return to it when we die.
I am beginning to think that is the case. I know God likes to recycle and I am afarid we may just be recycled.All I can say is: whatever happens, happens. I had no contol over my birth and I don't think I will have any control over what happens after I die. I will just be the best I can be now.
Yes, panhandlegirl, but when I wrote the first sentence quoted above, I was thinking of our physical bodies. Personally, I am quite certain that everyone will continue afterwards in a spiritual form...or maybe even by beinig born again as some religions insist. I don't know. Who knows for certain? But I don't rule it out.
What I know I DON'T believe in is that 144,000 will sit on thrones "in heaven" "ruling" over the rest of the world, that is, those who haven't been obliterated by a vengeful Jehovah God. That is as much rubbish as vegetarian lions and tigers!
The more I thought about Paradise Earth and the JW's teaching all the resurrected people, those not wiped out, about JWdom, the more like the hot place we're told doesn't exist it sounded. It's utter nonsense. But I don't think life after death in some for or other is nonsense, and I think that living the best and kindest life you can has got to be the right way to go about living now. We do the best we can, as you say, and that's enough.
We absolutely do not have to "keep ouselves in God's love". Myself, I think that is an evil and pernicious book.
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Chariklo
Panhandlegirl wrote, first quoting me,
We are all born of the Earth and the natural process is that our bodies return to it when we die.
I am beginning to think that is the case. I know God likes to recycle and I am afarid we may just be recycled.All I can say is: whatever happens,
happens. I had no contol over my birth and I don't think I will have any control over what happens after I die. I will just be the best I can be now.
Yes, but when I wrote the first sentence quoted above, I was thinking of our physical bodies. Personally, I am quite certain that everyone will continue afterwards in a spiritual form...or maybe even by beinig born again as some religions insist. I don't know. Who knows for certain? But I don't rule it out.
What I know I DON'T believe in is that 144,000 will sit on thrones "in heaven" "ruling" over the rest of the world, that is, those who haven't been obliterated by a vengeful Jehovah God. That is as much rubbish as vegetarian lions and tigers!
The more I thought about Paradise Earth and the JW's teaching all the resurrected people, those not wiped out, about JWdom, the more like the hot place we're told doesn't exist it sounded. It's utter nonsense. But I don't think life after death in some for or other is nonsense, and I think that living the best and kindest life you can has got to be the right way to go about living now. We do the best we can, as you say, and that's enough.
We absolutely do not have to "keep ouselves in God's love". Myself, I think that is an evil and pernicious book. -
Fernando
Hey Chariklo!
I have come to the same conclusion about the 144,000 doctrine - false.
A bit of "clever" subterfuge is used to hide the fact that the Watchtower has its very own two class clergy laity system.
And as to earning, deserving and paying for God's love which is a free gift - pernicious indeed.
The Watchtower is inhabited by the same spirit it decries in other religions.