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by truthseeker1969 34 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  jgnat

  My professional self gets a little shiver of pleasure of the thought of the WTBTS drowning in a vat of their own paperwork.

  Paper trails can be so very damning. It won't work forever to pretend the records don't exist, or claim religious exclusiviy. It is so very, very expensive to order such records in response to a claim.

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  IMO, these are two great issues to attack the WTBTS; "volunteers" deserving protection and compensation, and everyone's right to privacy and to see the records that an organization has collected on them.
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  jamiebowers

  The Watch Tower lost the "clergy/penitent privilege" battle in California during the child molester, Gilbert Simental's trial. In that case, a teacher of one of his victims reported her suspicions to the police. The mother of that child and another told police that the elders confirmed to her that Simental had confessed his guilt to them. When called to testify, the elders, under the society's direction claimed Clergy/penitent privilege, but the judge ruled against it stating that not only was more than one elder privy to the confession, but the society was as well. Then the prosecutor brought charges against the elders for failing to report the abuse to the police in a mandatory reporting state. The elders cut a deal and testified against Simental.
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  truthseeker1969

  What I have further heard is that in the UK the law prohibits the passing on of information about any individual without that persons consent. They have broken this numerous times and it is now coming out. Unlike the US the british government has no written constitution and religion is not held high and that is where the comment about "not keeping account came in".

  From what I have heard brothers are no longer scared to go head to head with the WBTs and Elders. My brother who will discuss things but never names of people period is getting fed up. My sister in law said he has twice broken down at things and she is worried about his health.

  Hopefully something will come out of it all. They have used the law to get their freedom but dont want anyone else to use the law to guarantee their freedom.
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  truthseeker1969

  Jeffro that is so true and it is something that they are now realizing does not fly with the rank and file.

  Case in point a brother put before a judicial committee reminded them that if they made a phone call or even as much as took a note on matters and read it before a body of elders then the "privilege" is out the window, with the window washer.

  Here in the US a British brother who had not been at meetings for 25 years started going back and within a week they had his records and file which infuriated him and he reported it to the ICO in the UK but of course they denied it. The Elder told him they could circumvent the problem by e-mailing the branch office so he admitted breaking the law is routine.

  They are now hopefully realizing that they Stalinist grip they want is no longer there and that people are seeing them as a business who wants your money but does nothing but shove those who need onto the congregation.

  They only ever issue letters when they are in trouble and the fact they ask for older letters to be destroyed is proof enough that they cover their butts so that any inspection would show nothing in the past but compliance with current law or attempt to be in compliance.
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  erbie

  Good point truthseeker.

  It's just a shame that we ever allowed the filthy bloody cult over here in the UK at all.

  It should be dumped in the nearest shit hole where it belongs.

  Sorry, it's been getting to me lately.