Civil Rights Violation in our own backyard. . . .

by DCs Ghost 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • DCs Ghost
    DCs Ghost

    I'm throwing caution to the wind with this one but I KNOW it will be appreciated

    I just received this a few hours ago in my email and thought some of you may be interested, it will affect us all if it goes through. . .

    Ban on Gay Marriages Bill Now in Congress

    There is a Constitutional Amendment being proposed that will ultimately ban homosexual marriages/civil unions and possibly domestic partner benefits in the future. It is being pushed through Congress quickly so as to make as little noise as possible. There's so much else in the news right now, that the amendment is not being
    noticed.

    This petition is being organized by a second party - it's NOT an
    "add your name to the bottom and forward" kind of thing. Go to the site itself in order to sign the petition. Please pass this along to your friends and family, and to our straight allies.

    By doing so, we can convey the message that the Constitution is
    about human rights, not just "religious rights". No matter how you feel about marriage...

    PLEASE READ, SIGN, AND FORWARD ON...

    http://www.petitiononline.com/0712t001/petition.html

    for further information on this bill that is moving right along check out ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) Action Alert
    and please, please. please send the letter at this link also to your local representative, if anything else read on this site and see what else is happening

    http://www.aclu.org/action/marriage107.html

    become informed
    become involved
    this country is in dire need of an overhaul and every voice counts

    dc

    "we do not see the world as it is,
    we see the world as we are. . ." Anais Nin

  • bitter mango
    bitter mango

    thankkies dante

  • DCs Ghost
    DCs Ghost

    no prob BM
    copy and paste this and send it to everyone in your buddy list

    "we do not see the world as it is,
    we see the world as we are. . ." Anais Nin

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Signed it!

    "As every one knows, there are mistakes in the Bible" - The Watchtower, April 15, 1928, p. 126

    Believe in yourself, not mythology.
    <x ><

  • Flip
    Flip
    There is a Constitutional Amendment being proposed that will ultimately ban homosexual marriages/civil unions and possibly domestic partner benefits in the future. It is being pushed through Congress quickly …that the amendment is not being noticed.

    Why would Congress or any one else want to ban Gay marriages in the first place, other than for conservative religious reasons, cultural bias or fear of supposed social decay and assumed loss of votes?

    What are the intrinsic and, if at all, financial reasons why Gay’s would want to be recognized as being married if some choose to remain childless, other than giving a reason such as, ‘men and women get to be…so do we’?

    What is meant by homosexual marriages/civil unions (specifically civil unions? Why the connection between the two terms?

    What is meant by domestic partner benefits? Is there a potential governmental financial benefit, i.e. tax deductions for Gay married partners who will be without the responsibility or the expense of having to raise children?

    Are there significant differences of perspective between Gay’s who have the responsibility of raising children and Gay’s without the responsibility of raising children that want to marry and the heterosexual marriages that raise children and those you choose to remain childless?

    Just throwing out questions off the 'top of my head'.

    Flip

    (Giving Up On JW Ways and Willing to Scrutinize This Issue Before One Signs on the Dotted Line Class)

  • DCs Ghost
    DCs Ghost

    hey Flip
    thanks for asking, i can hope i can answer some of these for you,

    Why would Congress or any one else want to ban Gay marriages in the first place, other than for conservative religious reasons, cultural bias or fear of supposed social decay and assumed loss of votes?
    i believe you answered this yourself, it is conservative moral values and fear of the unknown, it is backwoods thinking in the part of the house and senate and the fear behind it is fueled by prejudice. sad but true

    What are the intrinsic and, if at all, financial reasons why Gay’s would want to be recognized as being married if some choose to remain childless, other than giving a reason such as, ‘men and women get to be…so do we’?
    why do straight people get married? and do all married couples have children?
    love tends to be the underlying factor of most happy marriages,
    not all marriages are done so for financial gain,

    What is meant by homosexual marriages/civil unions (specifically civil unions? Why the connection between the two terms?What is meant by domestic partner benefits?
    The Civil Union Law: In 2000, the Vermont legislature passed a groundbreaking law which created a new marital status called "civil union" for same-sex couples and provided all state law benefits of marriage to couples joined in civil union.

    {check out www.vtfreetomarry.org. for more info}

    the reversal of this law as is the plan if congress has its way, would take these rights away from these couples and prevent other states from joining in and doing the same as vermont did 2 years ago,

    it would also prevent employers and insurance companies from providing coverage to same sex couples in their benefit plans,

    if it is ratified it can affect hetero couples as well, who choose not to marry

    an example mentioned at ACLU is state laws protecting unmarried elderly couples who refrain from marrying in order to hold on to their pensions,

    and even state laws allowing a person, in the absence of a spouse, to oppose the autopsy of a close friend because of the deceased person's religious beliefs

    from my own personal standpoint:

    suzi and i have been living together for about a year now,
    as the law currently stands, unless we live together for 5 years and become 'common law' we are not recognized as a couple by law,

    if this new bill takes place we would not be recognized as common law even if we did live together for the next 50 years,
    thus abolishing any rights suzi would have over my last requests if i were to die, unless i specifically wrote it down in a will

    Is there a potential governmental financial benefit, i.e. tax deductions for Gay married partners who will be without the responsibility or the expense of having to raise children?Are there significant differences of perspective between Gay’s who have the responsibility of raising children and Gay’s without the responsibility of raising children that want to marry and the heterosexual marriages that raise children and those you choose to remain childless?
    as far as children are concerned one does not need to be married to have a child, nor should someone get married because they are expecting one,

    at the moment suzi and i choose not to have kids because we have plans for our future, that is a personal decision that works for us as a straight couple and it is a choice that gay couples should have too, if we change our mind in the future then we cross the bridge when we get there. no one should be penalized or rewarded for having kids the joy of having a family is reward and punishment enough for giving birth

    what it comes down to is this:
    when this nation was founded it was founded with the premise of seperation of church and state as to avoid the opression felt in the motherland. if the churches are progressive enough to accept same sex matrimony then it is the churches choice and not the government,

    marriage is a civil liberty and it is a choice 2 individuals make based on their feelings toward each other regardless of their sexual orientation

    what they are proposing with this bill ALSO includes a future ammendment to the constitution
    this is the direction this legislation is going, they want to ammend the constitution to only allow heterosexual marriages to exist,

    if this civil right is taken it is only a step away before the government starts telling us who people can marry and who they can't

    dc

    "we do not see the world as it is,
    we see the world as we are. . ." Anais Nin

  • KJV
    KJV

    It's a terrible thing this bill! I have some friends who are animal lovers and they want the right to marry their pets but now with this bill their dreams to marry the pooch they love will be shattered. It's
    terrible the hate people(and animals) have to endure because of some friggin' religous nut cases!!!

  • Xander
    Xander

    KJV, I don't know if you're trying to be funny or not, but you come off as being an asshole.

    This is (potentially) a serious issue.

    And before anyone goes off thinking they don't have to act because 'it can't happen here', remember, Congress managed to add an amendment to the constitution to outlaw alcohol once. If *that's* possible....

    A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
    --George Santayana
  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : There is a Constitutional Amendment being proposed that will ultimately ban homosexual marriages/civil unions and possibly domestic partner benefits in the future. It is being pushed through Congress quickly so as to make as little noise as possible. There's so much else in the news right now, that the amendment is not being
    noticed.

    There is no way a Constitutional Amendment can be kept "quiet." Any such amendment would have to be ratified by (as I recall) 3/4 of all the states before it becomes law.

    Banning gay marriages will never become an amendment to our Constitution. Bet on it. Neither will banning Jehovah's Witnesses, despite the fact that their leaders are so consumed with themselves, they think it is inevitable.

    Most people don't give a shit about gay marriages and even less people give a shit about dubs.

    Farkel

  • Xander
    Xander

    All of the above said...if this WAS a problem, it would be a big one.

    However, further research seems to indicate this is the work of an activist group. They DID propose a constitutional amendment - July of last year.

    However, they can propose all the amendments they want, Congress must act on these proposals for anything to happen.

    And, near as I can tell, no one in Congress is taking this group seriously currently.

    So, bullet dodged.

    A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
    --George Santayana

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