Were you surpised how little the "world" new about JW's after you left?

by donny 20 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • donny
    donny

    I have been out of the JW organization for some time now and have been fairly active in discussing my adventures in Watchtower with those who are interested. What really surprised me in the first few years after leaving was how little the "world" knew about JW's. We were taught that we have been warning the unwashed for 100+ years and they resist the message because Satan keeps them from grasping this "good news".

    In the many discussions I have had with these folks since leaving, it is amazing how little or no understanding about JW's beyond the blood issue and holidays they have. When I mention 1914, the non-diety of Jesus, his also being Michael, the living forever on earth and just about anything else, they are clueless as to these teachings.

    That says volumes about the copious amounts of time and effort that has been spent witnessing as well as the billions of magazines, books and other printed material that have been distributed among the public. All of this has had minimal effect in spreading the JW message. Were you suprised at how little the "world" knew about the Witnesses?

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    I guess the "trumpet blasts" did not echo very fat.

    What shocked me was that people pretty much equate them (at least in Texas) as being sort of like a Pentacostal Holiness type of fundamental offshoot.l

    Most casual non-JWs have no idea of the failed end prophechies, the blood issue, or the cult behavior (i.e. DF if you want to leave).

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    yea learning that JW's weren't even on the radar for the other 99% was eye openning. The way the WT makes it look, the world is constantly looking for the 'dubs next condemnation

  • jws
    jws

    I think just going door to door, you find out that nobody realized what we taught. If anything, all they know about JWs is they don't celebrate holidays and birthdays. I knew there was a disconnect for a long time. For instance, the trumpet blasts at some ancient assembly. JWs hardly knew about them. Why should the outside world? Yet these were supposed to be historic events.

    Another reason I wasn't surprised is I always had worldy friends. I knew they had no idea about us. Except for birthdays and holidays and a general strict behavior I was supposed to follow but didn't.

  • talesin
    talesin

    Yes, I was and still am constantly surprised at the lack of *understanding* that people have about the JWs.

    Even those who know about things, don't really get it (usually). In the past few years, though, I have noticed that more people are open to the fact that it is a cult. I've wondered if that has anything to do with some of the highly publicized crazy (and criminal) antics of the LDS offshoots in recent years.

    I had an interesting conversation with one of my homecare workers 3 weeks ago. She has been coming here every 2nd week for quite some time to help me out around the house, and we've become buddies. She has neighbours that are JW, and started asking me questions as soon as she found out I am an exJW. As it happens, I know the couple that are her neighbours. I grew up with the wife, in the same congo, and pioneered in another province, where I knew the husband as a teen. So I know exactly what "kind" of JW they are.

    We were talking about being DFd, and the shunning policy. She was shocked, and truly horrified, that my family (with the exception of my parents) has not spoken to me since I was 20.

    That's when the subject of her neighbours came up. I was telling her how isolated I was as a child, and how, well, how miserable a JW kid's life can be. She said, well, so-and-so lives on my street, and their kids seem to be quite normal.

    So, I asked her, do they ever play with your children? No. Are your kids ever invited to their house? No. Do their kids participate in any sports or groups (like drama or band, etc.) at school? No.

    Then, I told her that the JW kids were taught that all the other children were actually doing Satan's bidding, and that all who are NOT JWs, are considered 'Satan worshippers'. I said to her,, "Just imagine, being in Grade Primary, and knowing that all the kids in your class are Satan's tools".

    Her eyes widened, she raised her hand in a gentle cutting-off gesture, and said "Wait a minute, so you're telling me that these little kids are being indoctrinated to believe everyone else in the world is evil?"

    Yes.

    She believed me, and said that now she was thinking about it, the family is a little 'off'. They are polite, and their property is well-kept (these folks are wealthy, they own a very large company, and employ a lot of minimum-wage earners), but have no friends in the neighbourhood. The kids are only seen coming to and from school. The parents never socialize, beyond the required polite "hello". She remarked that, upon reflection, they were rather 'plastic', and had no real warmth.

    And even though she knew about the blood doctrine, she had never really thought about it in relation to one's children. So she asked me about it. "So, they don't take blood transfusions. What if one of their kids needed one? Would they let their child die?" Well, here in Canada, the doctors just get a court order, but yes, the parents would refuse the transfusion. Another shocker for her. "You mean, in this day and age, they would refuse a blood transfusion and let their child die?" Yes.

    I told her about a case that happened quite some time ago, with a family I knew. The parents actually kidnapped the daughter from the hospital (she was 14 or 15, I believe) after a tonsillectomy, because the girl was having post-surgical hemmorhaging (sp?), and the doctors were adamant that if blood was needed, it would be given to her. Luckily, she did not die.

    Then I told her about the 2-witness rule and the JWs failure to report Child Sexual Abuse. By this time, she was not questioning the facts I was relaying, and accepted the personal experiences I related to her about that particular abomination without question.

    People's eyes are opening up. Any chance to anti-Witness, is a good one. I don't bring the subject up with people, but when they ask me about it, I am more than happy to share.

    The more people that know the 'truth about the Truth TM ', the better. She told me that she was going to do a bit more research, and the next time the JWs knock on her door, they are going to get a big surprise, because she will have some pointed questions for them.

    Also, when people really understand, they may be more supportive if they befriend or otherwise come to know an exJW fader, or DF person.

    Anti-Witnessing works.

    xo

    tal

  • poppers
    poppers

    The parents never socialize, beyond the required polite "hello".

    That's more than I've ever gotten from my JW neighbors two doors down. Not once in 25+ years living there have they initiated a hello.

  • blondie
    blondie

    What non-jws know tends to center around:

    1) no blood transfusions

    2) not celebrating birthdays

    3) not celebrating Christmas

    4) not saluting the flag

    All topics that end up in the news media

    Never the "kingdom of God" as the WTS says is the message; even the suggested presentations in the KM, four each month, rarely mention the kingdom or "jehovah"

  • ohiocowboy
    ohiocowboy

    I too was surprised about how little others in the "World" knew about JW's. Most only seemed to know the basics like not celebrating holidays, and no blood. It seems that most people could care less about them.

    JW's are a legend in their own minds...

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    And what's funny is that despite all their door-knocking, JWs are often best known for Michael Jackson and Prince.

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    donny , I agree with you completely, the vast majority of the people we talked to at the doors when we were giving our life giving presentations wouldnt have grasped a fraction of what we were saying , their minds were off somewhere else. ( In hindsight thank god for that )

    When I was out physically,but not emotionally,I querried some witnesses about how effective our witnessing work really was .

    My question to them was : Look down this street , say a hundred houses on either side for this example,and after all the years ( even if it were only 50 /instead of the 130 ) of JW`s coming around how many do you think could answer more than 3 questions as to what jehovah`s witnesses beleive.

    I think the majority would only answer one ,and maybe some could answer two,and I would be very surprised if any could answer three

    one being they dont beleive in blood trnsfusions

    and two being they dont beleive in birthdays

    I just got glazed looks at these questions

    smiddy

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