They just said at the WT study that the wife needs to suck it up in a abusive home. (page 2)

sabastious

I need to take a shower and calm down maybe have a huge glass of wine and think happy thoughts because I am so pissed right now I want to cry.

You might want to burn your clothes too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-_JTHcRnxI

-Sab

Kojack57

I was talking to my son in law who is not a jdub about this artical on Selma and Steve, and I told him that it would go right over their heads.

It amazes me that they can actually reason that that behavior is okay. I just can't believe that most sisters want to endure this kind of treatment.

It just shows all of us on this board how powerful this CULT really is. Men in this organization need to stand up and reach down between their legs and feel if they have a pair. They will find that the G.B. are holding them and squeezing them tightly, and they are submitting like a bunch of sissy's.

Wake up men and make a stand.

Kojack

Band on the Run

Beating women, small children, and small dogs isn't manly. Why not go mano a mano with someone at least equal your size, strength, and skill? There is sport in that. I grew up believing my father beat us b/c we were not good enough Christians. He never had a fight with a man or anyone outside the immediate family. He kicked small terriers but never Rotweillers or German Shepherds. I used to pray that he was sick. He would see our doctor, take medicine, and be cured of violence. Our subsequent Disney life would be so good it would make up for the trauma. If he were aggressive with others, maybe he was ill. The chemistry would have to be consistent. Also, he always kicked and punched us where bruises would not be visible. A truly ill person would punch all over. If God truly ordered such behavior, he should have done it in public so all society could benefit from the lesson.

Assaulting anyone is a crime (except for children). So the sister advice contradicts render Caesar's things to Caesar. I recall when rape in marriage was not a crime. Most of the legal commentary was that if it were a rape, how could they ever prove it. As I type this, I am listening to rebroadcasts of last year's royal wedding. The presiding minister is speaking of all these beautiful Christian concepts of marriage- symbolizing the mystical union between Christ and his church/org. Paul's beautiful scripture on what Jesus/love is-- the Witnesses would hand out baseball bats. Come get married --to disrespect each other and so only the H can beat the brains out of the W. This is truly the Christian message for the Society. Forget the secular standard where both beat each other. Isn't it strange that one less likely to have strength and economic power, further burdened by children, is the one Jesus/Michael designated as the one without power.

I don't a single man today who would sanction the Wt statement.

ZeusRocks

I've actually been holding off making any comments on this topic as it makes me boiling mad. It is really sickening that they actually advocate allowing someone to break the law and go unpunished.

I would love to see their reaction if the story was a little different.
Selma, 14 years old, was feeling a little sad and depressed and didn't really want to have her study because the bight before her father came into her room as she was studying the bible and raped her. When she told the sister of this, she was reminded that even Jesus told us to honour our father and our mother. After many more years, her father finally accepted a study and is now an elder in the local congregation.

Rape is illegal. Domestic abuse (assualt) is illegal. This is nothing short of enabling a wife and/or child beater to get away with their crimes. If he assualted a woman on the street or in a restaurant or department store, the police would be called and he would be arrested, but for some reason they think it's okay for a wife to be assualted and then just basically told to suck it up.

I really hope they rot in their own filth.

Hope everyone has a nice day though.

00DAD

LITS: One sister said that Selma could have very well been talking about a Bible point to her husband and it could have pushed him over the limit to hit her and she should have known better.

Could have, should have ... the article doesn't say what Selma was allegedly discussing, assuming she actually exists!

Even still, so what? There is no legitimate excuse for abuse, none.

Not much Critical Thinking going on here.

james_woods

Not too great a leap for a religion that celebrates sacrificing your children for an unscriptural blood doctrine.

Yes, it is unbelievable.

Nobody in the normal world would believe it except for us ex-JWs.

wha happened?

actually advocate allowing someone to break the law and go unpunished.

I was so upset at the moral issue here that I completly forgot that it's sorta a crime. A very serious crime

life is to short

Yes it is a crime and I had not even thought about the angle ZuesRocks mentioned about a father raping his daughter than comeing into the the religion and being an elder. I honestly could see that happening as my parents were very abusive and I was told I needed to honer them and not to mention to anyone what was going on at home. Plus I was told I was making it all up and that if it were happening I was probably causing some it. Sadly I believed the JW's who told me that and I tried and tried to be a beter daughter. I am now just amazed now at how I allowed myself to buy into it all.

I think a huge reason I tied into day by phone was to validate that they are truly crazy and not me as they have told me all these years that something was wrong with me and my thinking. These are the people I shared my life with. I thought they were my friends, my family. This religion was my whole world, life. I ate slept and breathed being a JW. I took a vow of poverty at Bethel, I gave years of my life to sell the WT and Awake for them. I put on tons of miles on my car in the country driving around aimlessness trying to find the lost sheep, even then I thought the driving around with no pupose was crazy but I was told that Jehovah wanted me to do it so I stupidly did was I was told. Today I just wanted to hear the craziness of what they might now that my eyes are opened, or maybe I wanted just one of them to say it was wrong for Steve to his Selma, maybe I wanted just to have one stand up and say this is wrong.

It is beyond mind blowing listening it. I cannot even wrap my mind around their thinking. No one and I mean no one said it was wrong for Steve to hit Selma. NO ONE! It is unbelievable. The main this was Selma needed to be more loving to Steve that is what was stressed by these people who I truly felt for most of my life were sane normal people. How could I not see how crazy they were. Today was a true truning point for me, another huge nail in the coffin that this is just a really sick cult.

Just unbelievable is all I can say.

LITS

yourmomma

frankly, i think this is all proof that the watchtower could put in print that its ok to rape little boys, and you would have jw's raising their hands and commenting that "as the paragraph points out, its ok to rape little boys".

this is a sick fucking cult. the only positive is hopefully anyone with half a brain will wake up and realize that what they just read is disgusting and evil and in no way from god.

They just said at the WT study that the wife needs to suck it up in a abusive home.