1919 and Jesus' selection of the Watchtower corporation

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  • reslight2
    reslight2

    Finkelstein stated:

    There is another connection with the Free Masons and Russell that your completely forgetting about and that is the theological idealogical concept

    of Pyramidology that Russell supported and hence the reason why the IBSA has been associated with the Free Masons to this day.

    Another conjoining fact that your forgetting about is that Russell gave most of his public speeches in Masonic Halls in his home town and abroad.

    As I said before Russell was a plagiarizer of symbolism from other beliefs even though he may have NOT been fully embraced toward those actual beliefs.

    He saw himself individually as Free Mason in that he was promoting Christ's return and a protector (Knights Templar) by his own theological

    expressions .

    Since any "connection" with the Free Masons and his Biblical study of the Great Pyramid has to be imagined and assumed, I disagree with the statements above. Indeed, we have tens of thousands of pages of Russell's works that overwhelmingly would not agree with the conclusions presented above.

    I do not know that Russell gave "most" of his public speeches in Masonic Halls - such a statement, I can only assume, has to be an assumption.

    I could verify that at least on a few occasions, he did speak in Masonic Halls, as well as "Elks" halls; various convention halls, and other "halls" of various names. Russell gave many discourses in various churches of various denominations, schools, c oliseums, stadiums, auditoriums, etc. The rental of rooms from any of these groups/organizations does not mean that either Russell or the Bible Students are in support of the goals of those who own the buildings. I would think, however, that in Brooklyn, Russell gave most of his public talks at the Brooklyn Tabernacle.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=convention+hall+site%3Amostholyfaith.com

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Brooklyn+Tabernacle+site%3Amostholyfaith.com

  • Chariklo
    Chariklo
    20. Teaching Jesus was responsible for writing literature - (The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 295)

    Locally, at least, JW's are using phrases like "When God wrote the Bible..."

    “The facts show that it was the group of anointed Christians associated with the publishers of the magazine Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald Christ’s Presence….”

    Exactly which facts would those be, do you think?

  • biometrics
    biometrics

    @reslight2:

    6. Preaching racism - (1902 Watchtower July 15th page 215)

    10. Teaching that the "other sheep" were to be in Heaven and number approximately 411,840,000 - (1918 The Finished Mystery page 102-103)

    “The number of the Great Company (other sheep) will apparently exceed one hundred millions. Num. 4:46-48 and Ex. 28:1 indicate but one priest to each 2,860 Levites, which would make the number of the Great Company approximate 411,840,000.—T118, 119; Dan. 7:10. 5:12. Saying with a loud voice—The Great Company will be very enthusiastic workers on the other side of the veil“-1918 The Finished Mystery page 102-103

    15. Promoting the pagan "winged sun disk" - (1918 The Finished Mystery)

    Close match?

    16. Promoting Masonic symbols - (1918 March 1st Watchtower)

  • reslight2
    reslight2

    Finkelstein stated:

    The Colporteur work has been greatly aided by the PHOTO-DRAMA. Indeed had it not been for the DRAMA the output of books would, to all appearances, have been very much less. The regular Colporteur work lost some of its most successful workers soon after the outbreak of the war, when the first pinch of money was felt. We cannot but feel sorry for this, for the country recovered from its panic when the demand for war material began to be felt, and since then there has been plenty of money in circulation, and the people are perishing for need of the Truth. We still think there is plenty of room for good Colporteurs, and it is still true that ground already gone over can again be canvassed to advantage.

    Sorry Reslight2 your statement that Russell's Colporteurs didn't ask for money or other restitution for the literature they brought door to door is invalid.

    True it could be said that they were volunteers as JWS are deemed today, that doesn't mean that there was nothing asked in exchange for the literature

    offered. There is a part of the Colporteur hand book where it goes on to describe what to ask and where they might be able to make the most

    probable chance of getting something.

    There's even a suggestion to stay clear of any Black/Negro neighborhoods for they most likely wouldn't give out any money.

    I searched though everything I posted to see if I did indeed, perhaps inadvertently, actually say that colporteurs didn't ask for money. I could not find any place where I made such a statement; perhaps Finkelstein is confusing what I said concerning the Volunteer work with the Colporteur work. The two are not the same. The Volunteers I spoke of are not Colporteurs. Volunteers generally did not ask for money; the Colporteurs and Sharpshooters, however, did ask for money. In comparison, however, there were very few who participated in the Colporteur work; practically all Bible Students in the days of Russell participated in the Volunteer work. The distribution of literature by Colporteurs was very small in comparison with the free distribution of literature that was accomplished by the Volunteers.

    There was, in Russell's day, a booklet entitled "Suggestive Hints to New Colporteurs".
    http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/reference/hints%20for%20colporteurs.htm

    There are other Colporteur Handbooks that were printed by other book publishers:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=colporteur+handbook

    I am not sure what is being referred to concerning 'staying clear of Black/Negro neighborhoods'. Nevertheless, in Russell's day, very few of the black people could read; indeed, in some neighborhoods, most of the people could either not read at all, or could not read English. My father was white, of Irish descent, but he could not read nor write. He died around 1958.

    Colporteurs, however, usually were totally dependent on selling of books to make a living; they could not afford to give books away, and thus were advised to leave such work of giving away free literature to the Volunteers. The Colporteurs, like all salesman, had to use their time wisely in order to make enough money to support themselves. If they were to go into a neighborhood where most people cannot read, they would be wasting their time.

    The Six Volumes and some other bound books, however, were not genrally offered for free, although there were some distributions of the first volume in magazine form that were distributed gratis in the Volunteer work. The Six bound volumes were, in effect, offered to Colporteurs at, near, or even below the cost of producing the books.

    Those of the public (who responded to literature that they had received from Volunteers or otherwise) who could not afford to buy the the Studies were either loaned copies, or copies were sent to them free. Often local congregations, as well as individuals, would provide books to those who could not afford them, but the WTS itself also often provided such.

    Nevertheless, the distribution of literature for sale was very small in comparison to the distribution of free literature.

  • reslight2
    reslight2

    biometrics posted:

    @reslight2:

    6. Preaching racism - (1902 Watchtower July 15th page 215)

    Evidently what biometrics wishes imagine and assume is that one should take the underlined portion out of context and then say that Russell was preaching that the white race is superior; Russell was responding to those "Christians" in his time who were claiming that the white race is superior, and he was simply admitting that in some areas it has appeared, at least on the surface, that the white race is superior. Russell was saying, however, that any other race could have exhibited the same if they had been as greatly influenced by the Bible, and thus that there is no call to think that the white race, of itself, has reason to boast because its race.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Resllight - interesting comments about Russell's winged sun disc being from the sun of righteousness in Malachi 4:2. Have you any quotes from Russell explaining the connection between his image and that Scripture.

  • reslight2
    reslight2

    biometrics posted:

    10. Teaching that the "other sheep" were to be in Heaven and number approximately 411,840,000 - (1918 The Finished Mystery page 102-103)

    “The number of the Great Company (other sheep) will apparently exceed one hundred millions. Num. 4:46-48 and Ex. 28:1 indicate but one priest to each 2,860 Levites, which would make the number of the Great Company approximate 411,840,000.—T118, 119; Dan. 7:10. 5:12. Saying with a loud voice—The Great Company will be very enthusiastic workers on the other side of the veil“-1918 The Finished Mystery page 102-103

    I am not sure why this is being posted, except that biometrics may determined to change the history of the times so as to make the quote say something about the "other sheep".

    The above adds "(other sheep)" to what is actually stated; the book does not "(other sheep)" in reference to the Great Company.

    Was ten thousand times ten thousand, and
    thousands of thousands.— The number of the
    Great Company will apparently exceed one
    hundred millions. Num. 4:46-48 and Ex. 28:1
    indicate but one priest to each 2,860 Levites,
    which would make the number of the Great
    Company approximate 411,840,000.— T118,
    119; Dan. 7:10. 5:12

    There is no evidence here or anywhere else that the authors of this book were saying this of the "other sheep", since at that time, no one I know of believed that that the other sheep were represented in the great company.

  • reslight2
    reslight2

    biometrics posted:

    15. Promoting the pagan "winged sun disk" - (1918 The Finished Mystery)

    Close match?

    Evidently, the thought that is desired to read into this is that since there is a "close match", we should imagine that the sun of righteousness illustration that Russell used must be itself pagan. I do not know if the heathen first produced their symbolism, or whether the heathen obtained their symbolism from the Hebrews and then perverted it. It really does not matter to me. I do not believe that the Bible is pagan because it refers to such symbolism. (Malachi 4:2) Russell had the design on his books made to reflect Malachi 4:2 and other scriptures, nor as a "pagan symbol".

    http://ctr.reslight.net/?s=masonic+symbol

  • reslight2
    reslight2

    biometrics posted:

    16. Promoting Masonic symbols - (1918 March 1st Watchtower)

    Using the spirit of imagination so as to imagine and assume that there are "Masonic symbols" does not in fact actually mean that there are any "Masonic Symbols".

    Niether the Biblical "cross and crown" illustration nor the Biblical "armor of God" illustration shown above are "Masonic" symbols.

    Russell’s Cross and Crown Symbolism — Masonic? Rosicrucian?
    The Watchtower and the Masons
    Masonic Symbols?
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