I could actually use a bib. I tend to get most of whatever it is that I'm eating on my shirt. I lost interest in rattles a couple years ago.
The true, unsung hero of the Bible....
by Unlearn 267 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Low-Key Lysmith
You'll never hear another peep out of me in regards to persecution, but I am no longer going to worry about the feelings of cry babies. I am heading out of town for the weekend, when I get back you'll see the real Sab and I don't care if you like him or not which makes him the new Sab. It's time to bring out the real guns.
-Sab
Uh oh. Look out! Is the New & Improved Sab just going to be more deluded, arrogant, short-sighted, insulting, and whiny? What are these "big guns"? A fresh bag of delusions and insults?
Looking forward to this.
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NewChapter
Ruh Roh. Now we've done it.
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elderelite
I feel i have missed something here sab.... Not sure why the anger.... That said, your whole premise is based on an account that came from where? No eye witnesses, not recorded until thousands of years after the supposed events. And we need a bib? Perhaps some logic would suffice.
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NewChapter
Maybe he didn't mean bib. Maybe that is his pet name for bible, and he was just suggesting we needed a bible. And the rattle---well maybe this alluded to the snake--- some of them rattle. In our haste to persecute a believer, we have jumped to all the wrong conclusions.
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jam
Isaiah 45;7, I form the light, and create darkness. I
make peace and create Evil (woe) I the LORD do all things.
OK, Sab, Iam sure will say evil is not really A created
thing, you can,t see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil, not
A fundamental forces of Physics, nor does it consist of
matter, energy or the spatial dimensions of the universe.
So the question, does cold exist? Why yes, my answer would
be, but the Christen veiw, no that,s incorrect cold does not
exist, cold is the absence of heat. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
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soft+gentle
enjoy your weekend Sab. By the time you get back, from the looks of things, the bbq will be just about ready for another human sacrifice.
edit: the beauty of chrisitanity is that jesus died once and for all
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NewChapter
Yes, it is problematic. On the one hand, to hold that a certain god created all things---but on the other to insist all things but evil. Evil was created by creatures run wild. But then, that would mean they were created with the potential for evil---but if the original creation was created before evil was created (because the creation created evil) then how could such a potential be wired in?
In the end, the delicately choreographed dance to make it all fit, is breathtaking.
NC
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soft+gentle
so where in your view, NC, does evil come from. what is your philosophy regarding evil. Before you ask me what my philosophy regarding evil is, I'll tell you strainghtaway I don't have one in particular, just so you know ;-)).
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NewChapter
I think more in terms of actions and consequences---not evil and good. Although there are some things that I view as pure evil, I don't view such from the perspective of an outside god judging, just from the perspective of the damage they do to others for no good reason. Sin is not a concept I subscribe to.
So there are maladaptive behaviors that disrupt life among social creatures. Usually these behaviors have a pay off for the person, but have a very negative affect on the group.
The concept of theft did not enter the picture until social contracts could be understood. This was a huge step for humans, and enable us to progress much more rapidly. If you need a tool, and you know it can simply be stolen, how much time would you spend making it? Not much. You'd pick up the first sharp rock and do your thing. But if you knew you could keep that rock, then you could become invested in it. You could learn flint knapping, and improve the design! Others would hear the banging as you worked the stone, but because you know there is a social contract not to take it, you could work on with confidence. And the whole group benefits from your work and any new design concepts.
Today we call theft a 'sin', with an outside god staring down with disapproving eyes. Perhaps this helped to reinforce the contract---but it actually developed quite organically.
So while I do deem some things evil, it is not with the same sentiment as a believer would deem it evil. I see something hurtful and maladaptive, and I call it evil. Some beleivers call shellfish an abomination. They call homosexuality a sin and evil. That makes absolutely no sense to me in this day and age. Is there an 'origin' to evil? Maybe to the concept of evil as defined by believers, but I see things more fully and as they evolved. We created our culture for our survival. Much of it reinforced biological things that already were beneficial to survival. They tailored it to the specific environment they lived in. As the environment changes, so should the culture. Unfortunately, people also hang on to things even after they become maladaptive. Science has given us some pretty hefty tools---but some people still cling to the things that made life better before science.
It's the problem I see with all bible based religions. They took a culture that was adapted to a specific time, place and culture, and forced it on unrelated cultures---which made it start out as maladaptive for the majority. It was never meant for them. They had their own system that developed naturally and worked well with their environment. Along comes this middle eastern god, which made no sense to people that lived in very different environments, and there has been conflict ever since.
My personal opinion is that the bible religions have simply become too big. Spirituality only worked well on a local level. Just people trying to get along and making up the rules that worked for them. Science eliminates the needs for most of these rules today---but it can't eliminate one thing. We evolved with our culture, and those that didn't blend in well didn't survive as well. So we have a world of believers, even after belief became maladaptive. Watching the future unfold will be very interesting.
NC