by Unlearn 267 Replies latest watchtower bible
The I CHING helps you become superior among your contemporaries
I see. Good to know.
I would say I get that kind of information from the Torah which works in tandem with the I CHING
Do THEY know that? Okay, so you are saying you believe the first five books of the bible then. Is that accurate?
Do THEY know that? Okay, so you are saying you believe the first five books of the bible then. Is that accurate?
The originators of the stories knew about the I CHING, yes, and I would go as far as to say they were I CHING masters. Most people today should know that, but most don't because we live in a time of extremely muddied waters. I believe in the whole Bible not just the first five books. But the Torah is especially important to acknowledge and understand as stand alone because it was for so long. To say that the next 61 books are required to interpret the first five is a folly. You also don't need the I CHING to interpret the Torah, but it sure does help.
-Sab
Does believing the bible, particular emphasis on the Torah, mean you believe in the Genesis creation account?
What is Armageddon in your own words? If you are going to use it as an argument point then you should be able to tell me what it is.
It's the final war that God will use to get rid of all of those that don't see or do things his way. The freedom we have now is only here because God is building a legal case to justify his extermination of billions of lives. This is not my opinion either; this narrative is laced all throughout the bible.
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PS Chapter 2
Why have the nations been in tumult And the national groups themselves kept muttering an empty thing?
2 The kings of earth take their stand And high officials themselves have massed together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one,
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8 Ask of me, that I may give nations as your inheritance And the ends of the earth as your own possession.
9 You will break them with an iron scepter, As though a potter’s vessel you will dash them to pieces.”
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11 Serve Jehovah with fear And be joyful with trembling.
12 Kiss the son, that He may not become incensed And YOU may not perish [from] the way,
For his anger flares up easily. Happy are all those taking refuge in him.
Rev 19: 11-16
11 And I saw the heaven opened, and, look! a white horse. And the one seated upon it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. 12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and upon his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, 13 and he is arrayed with an outer garment sprinkled with blood, and the name he is called is The Word of God. 14 Also, the armies that were in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. 15 And out of his mouth there protrudes a sharp long sword, that he may strike the nations with it, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. He treads too the winepress of the anger of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 And upon his outer garment, even upon his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
2 Thess 1:6-10
This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for YOU, 7 but, to YOU who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder in connection with all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among YOU.
Zeph 1:14-17
The great day of Jehovah is near. It is near, and there is a hurrying [of it] very much. The sound of the day of Jehovah is bitter. There a mighty man is letting out a cry. 15 That day is a day of fury, a day of distress and of anguish, a day of storm and of desolation, a day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick gloom, 16 a day of horn and of alarm signal, against the fortified cities and against the high corner towers. 17 And I will cause distress to mankind, and they will certainly walk like blind men; because it is against Jehovah that they have sinned. And their blood will actually be poured out like dust, and their bowels like the dung. 18 Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to deliver them in the day of Jehovah’s fury; but by the fire of his zeal the whole earth will be devoured, because he will make an extermination, indeed a terrible one, of all the inhabitants of the earth.”
Jer 25:32-33
This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘Look! A calamity is going forth from nation to nation, and a great tempest itself will be roused up from the remotest parts of the earth. 33 And those slain by Jehovah will certainly come to be in that day from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth. They will not be bewailed, neither will they be gathered up or be buried. As manure on the surface of the ground they will become.
Joel - All of it.
2 Cor 10:1-6 (Gods plan for eternal tyranny)
10 Now I myself, Paul, entreat YOU by the mildness and kindness of the Christ, lowly though I am in appearance among YOU, whereas when absent I am bold toward YOU. 2 Indeed I beg that, when present, I may not use boldness with that confidence with which I am counting on taking bold measures against some who appraise us as if we walked according to [what we are in the] flesh. 3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to [what we are in the] flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. 5 For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God; and we are bringing every thought into captivity to make it obedient to the Christ; 6 and we are holding ourselves in readiness to inflict punishment for every disobedience, as soon as YOUR own obedience has been fully carried out.
Does believing the bible, particular emphasis on the Torah, mean you believe in the Genesis creation account?
Yes I do believe in the Genesis creation account. I was highly skeptical of it for a while, but when I finally decided that it was allegory (instead of just suspecting that it was) something clicked for me inside. It makes sense now and that's why I believe in it. When something is encrypted into allegory and metephor it means that whatever is being encrypted was extremely important to the people who locked it up. They were trying to preserve something, what was it? I have an unyielding desire to fully unlock the Torah, and the Bible for that matter, and understand the purpose of the locking mechanisms. Once that is complete the truth should start pouring out.
-Sab
2TTC---If they don't believe in armegeddon, they will just deny that this is what those scriptures were saying. It all depends on how they define this god, and then they rearrange everything to fit. It will suddenly become metaphorical or something and a fight for hearts. Everything is liquid and can be shaped as needed. And some will believe in a literaly armegeddon and feel pretting good abut billions dying. It's interesting to watch it all play out
N C
It's the final war that God will use to get rid of all of those that don't see or do things his way.
You are right that's it's a war, but are completely wrong on the why. When is this war coming?
If they don't believe in armegeddon
I believe in Armegeddon because we are in it as we speak.
-Sab
So you believe you need to unlock the secret meaning of the Torah and the Eden account. Since you agree it's meaning is hidden, then it is just as valid to conclude that Satan was the good guy, as any other conclusion. After all the meaning is hidden, and therefore opens itself to interpretation.
Back to when God began. Where in the Torah does it say that God had no beginning---and do you take this allegory, as you do other parts of the Torah, or do you take it literal, and why? Why this bit of info, but not other bits?
NC
So you believe you need to unlock the secret meaning of the Torah and the Eden account. Since you agree it's meaning is hidden, then it is just as valid to conclude that Satan was the good guy, as any other conclusion. After all the meaning is hidden, and therefore opens itself to interpretation.
The meaning is hidden because if it wasn't the message would have been lost in the midst of human warfare. The locking mechanism was required to preserve the truth. "Who's who" is not really part of the encyption mechanism. The Serpent is the bad guy, to say otherwise is just a disservice to the story. Because the truth of the Torah is hidden within stories you must first identify the setting and characters then move onto the allegory and metaphor and how they are interconnected. Jumping the shark as a first move will get you no where.
Where in the Torah does it say that God had no beginning
Genesis 1:1 states "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." This is stating the beginning of existence, as in THE beginning, not A beginning (like the Big Bang). So, the setting is the beginning of all things and the first character of the Torah is said to have been there to create it. Therefore, before the beginning there was God. So, the God of Genesis is the First and the Last.
Heaven = World of Ideas
Earth = World of the Application of Ideas
There is nothing behind that concept but God the creator of the creative and the receptive.
-Sab
So if there was an entity in the beginning, it goes without question that it has no beginning? So your idea that God has no beginning come from the bible---but you think some of the bible's meaning is locked away----just not this part.
How old do you believe the earth is?
