king,,,,,,,dumb,,,,,,,hall,,,,,,,,????????How stupid are these mindless idiots?

by witchtowerwitch 25 Replies latest jw experiences

  • steve2
    steve2

    Witchtowerwitch you stun me with your poor understanding of human nature - and why people believe what they believe. Take me and my mother as two puny but relevant examples:

    I never walked into a kingdom hall with my eyes and ears wide open. I was born into it. My mother told me without a trace of scalding that the first meeting I attended was as a baby not quite 1 week old: I cried all the way through it and she could not soothe me.

    Years later, now an adult but still given to crying out loud in strange places, I told my now elderly mother that those were tears of protest. Remember the one about out of the mouths of babes? I reminded her. She laughed out loud, thinking I was joking. I didn't disabuse this patient and loyal servant of the Watchtower and loving mother of her wrong thought.

    Truth is, I should have gone easy on her: She also never walked into a kingdom hall the first time with her eyes and ears open. Her Bible Student mother carried her into the kingdom hall in 1928. Knowing my mother, she would have whimpered but not had the wherewithal to cry all the way through the meeting.

    My mother and I were not victims. But as born-ins, we simply accepted what the Bigger People told us was the truth, was really the truth. The fact that I woke up and opened my eyes and ears and my mother never did says more about chance occurrence than logic.

    The world brims over with religious groups that have "nutters" written all over them. But when you're in them, the view's very, very different - and so are the contingenices for staying.

  • Scott77
    Scott77

    Now, I get the big picture. There is a significant difference between those born-in and those who joined later. Their experiences, perspectives and outlooks are quiet different. I suspect, the former are hardcore diehards who mostly find it hard to escape from Watchtower inslavement to freedom. Lacking the frame of reference, that free, non-watchtower world to compare with, they are resigned to dieing with the mother ship no matter what. That being the only life the know. Other than that, I give tribute to everyone here who had made to freedom regardless of his or her status. In doing so, you have set a model example to all those still born-in that there is another and better life after the borg. Scott77

  • oompa
    oompa

    steve2 I love your post! but OUCH on your first paragraph where i see JW traits raging still...do you see what i meant?.....I wonder how that made witchtower feel at first....oompa

  • shopaholic
    shopaholic

    Witchtowerwitch,

    Did something happen that ticked you off?

    I understand your frustration. I had a conversation recently with a JW acquaintance that wanted to remind me that I needed to find a way back to the center of Jehovah's organization. The strange thing is the person agreed with me on many things but said "It doesn't matter if all the teachings are wrong or if all the prophecies fail, it's still God's organization and it's where you need to be." I wondered if the person realized how illogical that statement was but that's what cults do to people...until they wake-up.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Most people in the cancer are too scared to research anything. First, they have the threat of being destroyed if they so much as look at dissenting material. Then they face having their lives ruined. They are not able to develop traits that let them function in the real world, and their family will cut them off. If they are employed by witlesses, or have witless landlords (both of which are encouraged by the structure of the religion), they face losing their jobs, their apartments, or both.

    Also, because of the structure of the religion (no good jobs, plus wasting their money on stupid things like field circus), too many of them don't have computers. The attitude is that it is one more thing to take away from field circus. Without a computer, it is pretty difficult to get with the Age of Aquarius (in which everyone has equal access to a vast array of knowledge, far from the Establishment, and tools to easily research). So, they are trapped in the Age of Pisces, accepting what they are told. In that condition, of course they are going to get bad information from the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger and stay in it.

  • thecrushed
    thecrushed

    new blight new blight i heard a brand new lie. those witnesses that know about the false prophesies and lies are hopeless. those that dont know are more likely to be jolted awake if only they have the courage to ask questions and seek the answers.

    im gonna a have to disagree with u witchtowerwitch. im a third gen witness and my grandfather had a genius iq who wrote countless pieces of poetry and invented many things which he never bothered to patent. he knew trigonometry and helped design his sons house. he read and studied history and of course the bible. he served as an elder for many years before he passed away. ive also known a geologist, physicist and many genious computer programmers trapped in the witchtower. many talented frustrated musicians like myself also exist. it really has nothing to do with intellect although i admit stupid people can be easy prey for them.

    we are all guilty of making blanket statements out of frustration so im not going to be all bent out of shape over it. just trying to keep things in perspective.

  • witchtowerwitch
    witchtowerwitch

    I don't care what a persons IQ is,if they beleive with blind obedience false teachings from people = the 12 apostles in NYC ,then they are dumb as hell!These so called computer nerds and scientist that swallow hook, line, and sinker every word out of the gb mouth,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,without doing extensive research on their religion and it's back ground,then their is a mathematical inequality here okay!How can these same smart people study in college,and learn everything their is to know about their trade,but not look into the most important thing in their life = their salvation by God?Because if they had done their home work,they would know 100 million things wrong with the church,would they not?

  • Scott77
    Scott77

    So, they are trapped in the Age of Pisces, accepting what they are told. In that condition, of course they are going to get bad information from the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger and stay in it.
    WTWizard

    That is exactly the current state of affairs in the Witchtowerland.

    Scott77

  • TimeBandit
    TimeBandit

    Really, you're calling everyone here a mindless idiot for having been involved with the nitwitnesses including yourself.

  • steve2
    steve2
    steve2 I love your post! but OUCH on your first paragraph where i see JW traits raging still...do you see what i meant?.....I wonder how that made witchtower feel at first....oompa

    oompa, thanks for the feedback. I can always give thought to how I phrase my replies and considerthe likely impact. Speaking of which: Look at the title witchtower choose for this thread.

    Re: king,,,,,,,dumb,,,,,,,hall,,,,,,,,????????How stupid are these mindless idiots?

    Now, perhaps you would like to give some thought to giving witchtower feedback on how that title would make both current and ex-JWs feel? After all, feedback about negative impact on others goes both ways right?

    That title stirred up for me a protectiveness towards my JW maternal and paternal grandparents - they may have willingly devoted their lives to the religion and shown a level of trust that today we would judge as "gullibility" but they were doing the best they knew how, raising their children in a way they thought was true. They were not mindless idiots. As I said in my response to witchtower, s/he needs to show some understanding of human nature and why people believe what they believe.

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