Happy Anniversary! I hope you and your girlfriend have many more happy years together
The WTS and Same-Sex Marriage
by Quendi 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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jemba
Happy anniversary AK and partner.
I love Scullys comment. Imagine being a JW and realising there is no escaping the fact that you are gay. So many people like AK have been in that painful position knowing that the real them will never be accepted by the small minded org.
Losing friends and family because of your natural inclination. Such a lack of love and tolerance. JWs disgust me with their homophobia.
I know for my family its their excuse to be spiteful and spread hate with gods 'approval'.
So happy to catch you here AK you gorgeous girl. Stay with us.
Double the love from me....
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compound complex
Dearest AK MCGRATH:
We just never know, do we?
Your words of appreciation have meant much to me. I was unaware of your personal struggles till now, and my heart is with you. If it weren't for my kind, compassionate JW family (yes, really!) and the little ones who seem to adore their grandpa, I'd be done with life. They more than adequately make up for my having been abandoned and, consequently, absent a mate for so many years.
I'm so grateful you've found someone! Blessings and peace, dear lady.
CoCo Content but Waiting ...
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WTWizard
I don't see anything wrong with gay marriage these days--as long as it isn't used to prevent me from the opposite sex (and I am opposed to that application). If gay people wish to marry each other, so be it. It is not my business.
Nor is it my business if there are more than one partner involved. Having group sex among those around me is not my business. Nor could I care less if they are gay or straight. So long as I am not forced against my will in a pack of other men for sexual purposes I do not want, anything goes and it's no more my business than watching someone enjoying peanut butter topping on watermelon sherbet. And, for sure this is not a moral issue--no matter what right-hand path religion says.
What is a moral issue is denigration of women, bashing people for what they call "immoral sex", bashing people for enjoying material things they honestly earned, stealing people's belongings (whether by force or extortion), enslaving whole groups of people, going to Africa to kidnap and sell people into areas where they cannot function properly and enslave them, torturing and murdering people for not joining your religion, and sending people into Africa who do not belong there so they can plant churches. Yet, since when do you hear a peep about that? And when you do hear something, the religion as likely as not participates in it and bashes other religions for doing the same thing. You might hear the Washtowel lamenting sexism, while blatantly practicing sexism right under your nose. You might hear them bash slavery while they practice it blatantly. And so on.
Yet they denigrade gay marriage.
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AK MCGRATH
A big to all for your loving words and icons
I sincerely THANK YOU, for you will never know the depths you have touched my heart and encouraged my spirit. Yesterday started out alright, but as the day went on, it turned on me and I was feeling melancholy. It doesn't help that us females have to deal with a certain time of the month the menfolk don't. Nor did it help that I was in the middle of my five day stint away from home. I am literally away from home half the month or more, due to work.
So, today is a new day, and Quendi, I started a new thread. Please feel free to now hijack it from me I again apologize..
But, so as to not totally hijack it..I need to write something gay related...hmmm
GO GAYS, LESBIANS, BI-SEXUALS, TRANSGENDERED, QUEER (and whatever the next letter of the alphabet gets added!!!!!!!!! Better?
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Quendi
My dear AK McGrath, I never thought you 'hijacked my thread'. After all, isn't this forum's purpose to encourage free expression and exchanges? I'm glad you felt welcome to participate and like others have said, I wish you and your partner all the success you seek.
Your story is certainly germane to the issue I raised. The WTS stance against same-sex marriage isn't an isolated one unrelated to other things. Instead, it underlines the homophobia that exists within the organization and this despite the fact that a significant segment of practicing Witness are either gay men or lesbian women. The organization sees no need to accommodate them any more than it accommodates the views of others whose thinking doesn't align with the WTS's. But with LGBT people handicapped from the start by their own conflicting emotions, the hostility of the WTS and its officers makes a difficult life even more so.
It must be distressing for the Governing Body to see the tide of public opinion moving in the direction of acceptance of same-sex marriage. Because that would also mean that the pejoratives the WTS has used in the past for LGBT people--"filthy", "disgusting", "abominable", "perverted", "immoral"--are not those a majority of Americans accept any more. While I don't doubt that despite the growing tolerance and acceptance of LGBT people as real human beings who are the equals of all others in the world the WTS will remain intransigent, it will also feel the pressure of growing isolation. It would be poetic justice if the WTS eventually becomes the victim of the shunning practices it has visited upon others. May I live to see the day!
Quendi
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matt2414
The article on the Watchtower website is proof positive that God IS NOT using the Governing Body to lead His people. There are so many Bible texts that are twisted and taken out of context, that it's an embarrassment to the entire Watchtower hierarchy. Borrowing from their own smug semantics, "true Bible Students" know that the account of Sodom has nothing to do with homosexuality and that the Genesis account was not referring to homosexuality.
When the men surrounded Lot's house and called out the visitors, they were seeking to rape them, not make love to them. Only perverts cannot distinguish the difference between rape and sex. Rape is an act of violence, meant to humiliate and dominate an individual. The account says that even children were among those calling out the visitors. They weren't seeking sex, they were seeking violence, just like in many lands today that are at war, where children are armed with guns and knives. The account at Romans 1 was referring to idolatry and the practices that go along with it, Paul wasn't addressing homosexuality. If the Watchtower's version of Romans were correct, that would mean there was a mass conversion of straight people -- men and women -- into homosexuality, which we all now know just doesn't happen. You either are straight or you're not. A large group of straight people just don't turn into being gay suddenly and uncontrollably. The idea is so ridiculous that it defies logic.
As for "Nathan" -- the name isn't even his real one, even though a last name was never mentioned -- the article says that he is no longer "pursuing a homosexual life-style." Big deal! If it were a "life-style" to him, then obviously he wasn't gay. Lots of straight people, especially when they are in their teens and early adulthood, have various sexual experiences, but that doesn't make them gay; just as many gay people have had opposite sex experiences when they were younger -- some even marrying ... and later divorcing -- but they are still gay.
Even though the Watchtower peppers articles such as this with misapplied Bible texts, it is obvious to "true Christians" that the Governing Body "knows neither the Scriptures nor the power of God." (Matt. 22:29; Mark 12:24)
Thanks for the post Quendi. Congratulations, AK MCGRATH.
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QueenWitch
like Broken Promises, I have revised my views on homosexuality. Congrats AK and don't leave out us Allies!
Like other fundy Xtian sects, JW will never change their stance on gay marriage.