I haven't forgotten I'll take the memories of this evil murderous doctrine that have seem thousands die worldwide to my grave
The Blood Issue.........Maybe You Forgot.
by Night Owl 15 Replies latest jw friends
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sizemik
Thanks for the info Randy . . .
While it's no great surprise . . . it's still hard to believe that Franz had premeditated the purpose of the doctrine to that extent. Not because I doubt the veracity of the account . . . it's just such a heinous, murderous thing to instigate for those reasons. Immoral at the most basic level . . . it's not easy to come to terms with.
Neither a religious nor a medical issue . . . simply a control one.
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wasblind
Night Owl,
You mean when God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the forbidden fruit ( or dont' eat Blood )
was it alright to take a fraction of the forbidden fruit or Blood ??? A fraction of ( Whole Blood ) that JW's consider a sin ????
" as for the various fractions derived from those components and products that contain such fractions, the Bible does not comment on these, Therefore, each witness makes his own personal decision on such matters."_________ August Awake 2006 page 11-12
If the Bible did not comment on some of the things the WTS teach about blood
That only proves the point that Randy Watters has brought out about bein' Fred Frans invention
" Blood is equated with idolitry and fornication "________Reasoning book page 71
" Similary, any food to which whole blood or even some fractions has been added should not be eaten"______Reasoning book page 71
balls in your court Night Owl
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Vanderhoven7
Thought a bit of history might help here from
www.Quotes-Watchtower.co.uk
Blood, Watchtower Flip-Flops on Blood Fractions 4 Times
I n 1945 the Watchtower Society banned its members from accepting any form of blood, whether it be whole or fractional. Since then the Watchtower have managed to tie themselves up in the technicalities and changing its mind on what is acceptable to what is not acceptable only for it to be acceptable in a few years time.
Here is the Watchtower’s history on the issue of blood
? 1940 Blood transfusions are acceptable
? 1945 Blood transfusion are not acceptable
? 1956 Blood serums unacceptable
? 1958 Blood serums and fractions acceptable
? 1961 Blood fractions are not acceptable
? 1964 Blood fractions are acceptable
? 1974 Blood serums are personal choice
? 1975 Hemophilia treatments: Blood Fractions (Factor VII & IX) are not acceptable
? 1978 Hemophilia treatments: Blood Fractions (Factor VII & IX) are acceptable
? 1982 Albumin is acceptable
? 1983 Hemodilution is acceptable
? 1990 Hemodilution is not acceptable (Blood Brochure)
? 1995 Hemodilution is acceptable
So after all this what is acceptable and what is not?Acceptable
? Albumin
? Immunonoglobulins
? Hemophilia preparations (Factor VII & IX)
? Hemodialysis
Not acceptable
? Whole blood
? Plasma
? White blood cell (Leukocytes)
? Red blood cells
? Platelets
? Storage of blood outside of the body
The reasoning and logic behind how the Watchtower decides what is acceptable and what is not seems somewhat flawed. If we consider their current policy with regard plasma we see that it’s composition is made up of 92% water with the remaining 8% made up from Albumin, Immunoglobulins, fibrinogen and coagulation factors. So in fact every thing contained within blood plasma is on the Watchtower’s acceptable list but blood plasma on its own is not. So one can assume that as long as a patient requiring plasma receives the principle components separately there is not a problem.
The ban on white blood (Leukocytes) cells is also illogical given that only 3 percent of a bodies total Leukocytes are contained in the blood system, with the other 97% being distributed through the body tissue. As the Watchtower now allows for organ transplants a patient receiving one will actually receive into his body more leukocytes from the tissue in the organ than they would if they had a blood transfusion. It is also worth noting that mother’s breast milk contains as much as 12 times more Leukocytes than that found in a similar quantity of blood.
The Watchtower makes a big deal out of their stance on blood when they talk about the benefits from abstaining from it. For example they state that from not having a blood transfusion the patient protects themselves from the risk of contracting diseases such as AIDS that may have contaminated the blood. The Watchtower fail to point out that Hemophilia preparation which were the major cause of transfusion acquired AIDS is on Watchtower’s acceptable list.
The Watchtower also fail to recognize that all acceptable blood fractions come from blood that has been stored outside a human body, which in itself is on the Watchtower’s list of unacceptable practices.
Hopefully the blood issue will follow the path that Vaccinations and Organ Transplants took in that they were previous banned but now allowed.
The tragedy of all this is how many faithful Jehovah Witnesses lost lives in the period when blood fractions were banned?
Below are quotes from the Watchtower with regards their position on blood. In addition please read Blood Guilt.
Awake, May 1994 Front cover illustration of dead children who refused blood
Page 2 of the same Awake magazine
Youths Who Put God First
In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it, only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue.
[Emphasis added]
Blood transfusions are viewed in a favorable light by the Watchtower 1940
Consolation 1940 December p19
In New York city a house wife in moving a boarder's things accidentally shot herself through the heart with his revolver. She was rushed to a hospital, her left breast was cut around, four ribs were cut away, the heart was lifted out, three stitches were taken, one of the attending physicians in the great emergency gave a quart of his blood for transfusion, and today the woman lives and smilesgaily over what happened to her in the busiest 23 minutes of her life.
[Emphasis added]
Blood transfusions are officially banned in 1945
The Watchtower 7th January 1945 p201
See, then, that the Most High and Holy God gave plain instructions as to the disposition of blood, in harmony with his everlasting covenant made with Noah and all of his descendants; and see that the only use of blood that he authorized in order to furnish life to humankind was the use of it as a propitiation or atonement for sin; and seeing that it was to be done upon his holy altar or at his mercy seat, and not by taking such blood directly into the human body; therefore it behooves all worshipers of Jehovah who seek eternal life in his new world of righteousness to respect the sanctity of blood and to confirm themselves to God's righteous ruling concerning this vital matter.
[Emphasis added]
The Watchtower bans the use of blood fractions
Awake! 8th January 1954, p24
We are told that it takes one and a third pints of whole blood to get enough of the blood protein or "fraction" known as gamma globulin for one injection.And since from the foregoing it must be admitted that such use of human blood is highly questionable, what justification can there be for the use of gamma globulin? Further,those interested in the Scriptural aspect will note that its being made of whole blood places it in the same category as blood transfusions as far as Jehovah's prohibition of taking blood into the system is concerned. - See Leviticus 17:10 - 14; Acts 15:20, 28, 29.
[Emphasis added]
Awake! 8th September 1956 p20
While this physician argues for the use of certain blood fractions, particularly albumin, such also come under the Scriptural ban. In fact, these fractions are being used not only by physicians but also by food processors, and so it would be well to note the labels on such products to see if they contain any blood substances or fractions. When in doubt, it would be best to do without.
[Emphasis added]
Flip Flop, The Watchtower allows blood fractions in 1958
The Watchtower 15 September 1958 p575
Are we to consider the injection of serums such as diphtheria toxin antitoxin and blood fractions such as gamma globulin into the blood stream, for the purpose of building up resistance to disease by means of antibodies, the same as the drinking of blood or the taking of blood or blood plasma by means of transfusions? - N.P., United States.
No, it does not seem necessary that we put the two in the same category, although we have done so in times past. While God did not intend for man to contaminate his blood stream by vaccines, serums or blood fractions, doing so does not seem to be included in God's expressed will forbidding blood as food. It would therefore be a matter of individual judgment whether one accepted such types of medication or not.
[Emphasis added]
Flip Flop, Flip Flop, The Watchtower changes its mind again and blood fractions are banned in 1961
The Watchtower 15 September 1961 p 558
Butregardless of whether it is whole blood or a blood fraction, whether it is blood taken from one’s own body or that taken from someone else, whether it is administered as a transfusion or as an injection, the divine law applies. God has not given man blood to use as he might use other substances;he requires respect for the sanctity of blood.
[Emphasis added]
Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, The Watchtower changes its mind again and blood fractions are allowed in 1964
The Watchtower 15 November 1964 p680/3
The Society does not endorse any of the modern medical uses of blood, such as the uses of blood in connection with inoculations. Inoculation is, however, a virtually unavoidable circumstance in some segments of society, and so we leave it up to the conscience of the individual to determine whether to submit to inoculation with a serum containing blood fractions for the purpose of building up antibodies to fight against disease. If a person did this, he may derive comfort under the circumstances from the fact that he is not directly eating blood, which is expressly forbidden in God's Word. It is not used for food or to replace lost blood. Here the Christian must make his own decision based on conscience. Therefore, whether a Christian will submit to inoculation with a serum, or whether doctors or nurses who are Christians will administer such, is for personal decision. Christians in the medical profession are individually responsible for employment decisions....... In harmony with Deuteronomy 14:21, the administering of blood upon request to worldly persons is left to the Christian doctor's own conscience. This is similar to the situation facing a Christian butcher or grocer who must decide whether he can conscientiously sell blood sausage to a worldly person.
[Emphasis added]
Awake! 22nd August 1965 p18
The fact that serums are prepared from blood makes them undesirable to Christians because of the Biblical law against the use of blood. However, since they do not involve the use of blood as a food to nourish the body, which the Bible directly forbids, their use is a matter that must be decided by each person according to his conscience.
[Emphasis added]
The Watchtower 1 June 1974 p 351/2
Serums or antitoxins are used. These are obtained from the blood of humans or animals that have already developed the antibodies for fighting the disease. Usually the blood is processed and the blood fraction (gamma globulin) containing the antibodies is separated and made into a serum. When this is injected into the patient it gives him temporary passive immunity. This is temporary, for the antibodies do not become a permanent part of his blood; when these pass out of his body he is no longer immune to the disease. It can thus be seen that serums (unlike vaccines) contain a blood fraction, though minute....What, then, of the use of a serum containing only a minute fraction of blood and employed to supply an auxiliary defense against some infection and not employed to perform the life - sustaining function that blood normally carries out? We believe that here the conscience of each Christian must decide.
[Emphasis added]
Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop The Watchtower changes its mind yet again and blood fractions are not allowed in 1975
Awake! 22nd February 1975 p30
Certain clotting "factors" derived from blood are now in wide use for the treatment of hemophilia, a disorder causing uncontrollable bleeding. However, those given this treatment face another deadly hazard: the Swiss medical weekly Schweizer Med Wochenschrift reports that almost 40 percent of 113 hemophiliacs studied had cases of hepatitis. "All these patients had received whole blood, plasma, or blood derivatives containing [the factors]," notes the report. Of course, true Christians do not use this potentially dangerous treatment, heeding the Bible's command to 'abstain from blood.'
[Emphasis added]
Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop The Watchtower changes its mind yet again and blood fractions are not allowed in 1975
The Watchtower 15th June 1978 29/31
What, however, about accepting serum injections to fight against disease, such as are employed for diphtheria, tetanus, viral hepatitis, rabies, hemophilia and Rh incompatibility? ...This seems to fall into a 'gray area.'... Hence, we have taken the position that this question must be resolved by each individual on a personal basis....How concerned should a Christian be about blood in food products? ...This may call for a degree of care.... Christians, individually, must decide what to do.
[Emphasis added]
Storing Blood outside the body is wrong
The Watchtower 15 October 1959, p640
Consequently, the removal of one's blood, storing it and later putting it back into the same person would be a violation of the Scriptural principles that govern the handling of blood....if the blood were stored, even for a brief period of time, this would be a violation of the Scriptures... Again, if one's own blood would have to be withdrawn at intervals and stored until a sufficient amount had accumulated to set a machine in operation, this too would fall under Scriptural prohibition.
[Emphasis added]
Blood, Medicine and the Law of God, 1961, pp. 14, 15
But regardless of the method used to infuse it into the body and regardless of whether it is whole blood or a blood substance that is involved, God's law remains the same.If it is blood and it is being used to nourish or to sustain life the divine law clearly applies... Mature Christians... are not going to feel that if they have some of their own blood stored for transfusion, it is going to be more acceptable than the blood of another person...Nor are they going to feel that a slight infraction, such as momentary storage of blood in a syringe when it is drawn from one part of the body for injection into another part, is somehow less objectionable than storing it for a longer period of time
[Emphasis added]
Hemodilution is wrong 1972
Awake! 5 April 1972 p29/30
Men of science are constantly developing new methods for performing surgical operations. The Journal of the American Medical Association, dated November 15, 1971, described a procedure for open-heart surgery that employs sever hemodilution. Early in the operation a large quantity of blood is drawn off into a plastic blood bag. Though the bag is left connected to the patient by a tube, the removed and stored blood is no longer circulating in the patient's system. It is replaced with a plasma volume expander, which dilutes the blood remaining in the veins and which gradually dissipates during the operative procedure. Near the conclusion of the operation the blood storage bag is elevated, and the stored blood is reinfused into the patient..... These techniques are noteworthy to Christians, since they run counter to God's Word.The Bible shows that blood is not to be taken out of a body, stored and then later reused.
[ Emphasis added.]
Hemodilution is OK 1983
Awake! 22 March 1983 p.16
It is with this in mind, and not just to honor the requests of Jehovah's Witnesses, that Denton Cooley [of Houston, Texas] has performed open-heart operations now for over seven years, limiting transfusions wherever possible by substituting hemodilution, diluting the patient's blood with a glucose and heparin solution. If this method has given excellent results since then . . . one wonders why it has not been extended to present-day surgery.
[ Emphasis added.]
Parents indoctrinated using scare tactics
Blood, Medicine and the Law of God, 1961, p. 5
Jehovah's witnesses... know that if they violate God's law on blood and the child dies in the process, they have endangered that child's opportunity for everlasting life in God's new world.
[Emphasis added]
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jworld
Totally off topic but I love this quote from Dr Strangelove. It reminds me of how crazy the blood policy is.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
A blood transfusion would impurify all of their precious bodily fluids!
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Night Owl
It is all about their interpretation of certain scriptures concerning blood.
Wasblind,
Past, present and future.
NightOwl