i mean really whats the number one reason a dub gets kicked out the org? one of stongest natural desires and he was supposed to be a full fledged human all desires and everything i mean satan tempted him with food but no sexual pleasure? and was he attracted to women? would that not be incest since he created everything? if not attracted was he a real man or humanbeing? why after being tempted angels came and comforted? adam and eve didnt get that help after an encounter with satan and jesus made satan?
why jesus never tempted with sex?
by criticalwitness 33 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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cofty
It is possible that the historical Jesus was married.
Mary Mag claimed his body which was the perogative of the wife. The wedding feast of Cana is also interesting. All his family and friends were there and for some reason his mum confronts him with the problem of the lack of wine. Was it his own wedding?
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
It’s quite tempting to speculate on the liberties taken with the biographical data given on a man whose diehard followers and stalwarts make up the only historical sources. When he died, he was little more than an agitator. His following grew only as his legend did. If only the Pharisees and the Romans had thought a little less about his effect on people, Jesus might have joined the ranks of history’s unknowns. I don’t claim to know the social norms of Aramaic speaking Galilean Jews under Roman occupation, but a man who lived with his parents until he was 30 and then suddenly had a revelation that he was God’s son sounds to me like a dreamer of the Joseph Smith quality.
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mP
There is no historical Jesus. Check the story you will see its full of symbology and nonsense, for example Mt and Luke cant even agree on his father or grandfather. Nazareth didnt even exist in Jesus time, no where in the BIble do we even find a reference to such a town. The town was established hundreds of years after the fact as part of the fabrication of the story. ASk any jew if Jesus existed and they will tell you no. Look at Mat 28 we have zombies walking around Jeruslam and earthquakes and yet nobody wrote about this fantastic event. Surely if anyone could write and saw zombies walking about they would have written it down...
Why are all women in Mark called Mary ? What are the odds in real life that everybody is called Mary. Every women that is named in the gospel is called Mary.. Thats part of the nonsense.
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Composer2005
ALL CLAIMS OF JESUS DERIVE FROM HEARSAY ACCOUNTS
No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.
Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness' own knowledge.
Courts of law do not generally allow hearsay as testimony, and nor does honest modern scholarship. Hearsay does not provide good evidence, and therefore, we should dismiss it.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
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In the final analysis there is no evidence that the biblical character called "Jesus Christ" ever existed. As Nicholas Carter concludes in The Christ Myth: "No sculptures, no drawings, no markings in stone, nothing written in his own hand; and no letters, no commentaries, indeed no authentic documents written by his Jewish and Gentile contemporaries, Justice of Tiberius, Philo, Josephus, Seneca, Petronius Arbiter, Pliny the Elder, et al., to lend credence to his historicity." (Source: http://www.truthbeknown.com/pliny.htm)
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Composer2005
Hence christianity is much a do about nothing!
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transhuman68
As Israel spent 40 years being tested in the wilderness, and the prophet Elijah spent 40 days in the Sinai, where, at Mount Horeb he heard the voice of God, so now Jesus spent 40 days of fasting and trial in the barren wilds of Judea. Matthew and Luke both record the same three temptations and in both Gospels the focus is on Jesus' identity as "Son of God" and on his obedience and trust in God.
Though physically weakened by fasting, Jesus is indomitable in purpose. A story of temptation might be expected to include an account of inner struggle, of a mind divided over which way to go or what to do. The Gospel accounts, however, choose to depict only the barest hints of psychological struggle after Jesus' 40 days of fasting.
Rather, what the Gospels describe is a formal, almost stylized confrontation between Satan and the Son of God. The tempter begins without the least hint of subtlety, "If you are the Son of God...." He directly challenges the identity that God himself had confirmed at Jesus' baptism. Jesus in turn responds only by quoting the Scriptures-"It is written." In each case he cites a passage from Deuteronomy concerning a lesson that Israel learned during its trials in the wilderness. Through their link to the experiences of God's people in the past, the three temptations take on a symbolic character. They are not only a new and unique experience for Jesus, but the temptations also link him with his people's often unsuccessful struggles with such temptations in the past.
Thus the Gospel according to Matthew records: "Jesus said to him, 'Again it is written, "You shall not tempt the Lord your God." ' Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them; and he said to him, 'All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.' Then Jesus said to him, 'Begone, Satan! for it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve." ' Then the devil left him, and behold, angels came and ministered to him."
The temptation to turn stones to bread may point to the human inability to trust God in ordinary life, to pray simply, "Give us this day our daily bread," and trust God's word. Perhaps it was also a temptation for Jesus to use miraculous powers in a self-serving manner.
The temptation to receive from the devil "all the kingdoms of the world" may point to Jesus' rejection of political messiahship. It focuses on trust in God's future-"Thy kingdom come"-and a commitment to worship and serve God alone.
The temptation to leap from the pinnacle of the Temple in Jerusalem suggests that God refuses to be the object of a controlled experiment; he will not be put to such a test. God's name must be hallowed. The trials ended with Jesus, strengthened by the angels themselves, turning back to the people to begin his work.
From 'Mysteries of The Bible'. These are just stories written for a purpose- nothing to do with a real Jesus- if he even existed.
(Maybe he was a real stud... we will never know...)
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OnTheWayOut
The Romans and the Greeks and the Norsemen had very similar legends of their Gods. The Egyptians legends, while not quite as similar, still painted their gods a certain way. The god of the Hebrews was not all that different, so I think the storytellers thought that Jesus should remain pure and maybe that would help him stand out in the crowd.
But discussing whether Jesus wasn't so pure causes people to start missing the idea that Jesus was a myth. So miracles and wise sayings become more than legend when the debate changes over to whether the son of God was tempted or even gave in to temptation.
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mP
@transhuman
The temptation story is a popular astro theological theme. Jesus in the NT is actually the light or the sun, while Satan is the devil or darkness or night. When the sun reaches its peak it eventually comes down. There is no literal mountain high enough to see the whole world, the sun does however give light and see the world during the day. Even the bible in the OT has many similar temptation stories of solar figures, Samson = literally means sun in Hebrew. Jonah which means dove or sprit as in holy spirit is a story of the sun travelling and so on.
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transhuman68
Oh sure, these are all fictional stories; my point is that the intention is to connect 'Jesus' with the stories already written in the existing scrolls- the Hebrew Scriptures. Still, Jesus being led astray by a 1st century Delilah would have been a best-seller way back then- if the early Christians hadn't been so anal-retentive they might have written it in...